In Seattle they do not Discount the Caymans very Much.At least not certain desirable Colors and packages.I got a black on Black with Chrono and all I could get was $1,500 off MSRP after 2 months negotiating with 7 Dealers all the way to Portland.Traded a Totally tricked out RX-8 in they sold the same day for $5,000 more.. such is life .Seeing my cayman in a delivery showroom when I came to pick it up made it all worth while !!!