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I found a detailier on autopia, Scottwax.com - I come to you!, and talked with him. He mentioned the porsche black paint is very soft. I think we want him to be very mild on it. Is there anything special I should know about the paint, detailer, etc?
Sonus, Ultima, Polycharger & Ultimate Detailing Machine are our brand! We created our brands of car cleaners, polishes, protectants, microfiber towels and car polishers as a statement of our own car enthusiast detailing. Our brands embody all of the qualities we seek in detailing products for our own cars.
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The black paint is not any softer (or harder for that matter) than any other color on a Porcshe... it's still covered by the same clearcoat as the other colors. Some people have said it's softer because when you get a rock chip for instance, it shows more because the primer is a light gray, almost white in color, and the chips tend to show more on a black car... but the paint and clearcoat are not "softer" than any other Porsche color...
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I have to admit, I thought that was an odd comment. Perhaps the Porsche paint in general is softer than what is normal? He said he worked on a cayenne and found it to be soft. The detailer does have 22,000 posts on autopia and a dedicated website, so I would think there is something to that?
Sonus, Ultima, Polycharger & Ultimate Detailing Machine are our brand! We created our brands of car cleaners, polishes, protectants, microfiber towels and car polishers as a statement of our own car enthusiast detailing. Our brands embody all of the qualities we seek in detailing products for our own cars.
We're not a superstore (and proud not to be)! Anyone can bring every brand name in the industry into their web store and tell you that every product is "the best". We focus on what works and the products we will use on our own cars. It is our own continuous process of learning and pursuit of solutions for detailing perfection that makes a product worthy of being offered to you.
I had a black Boxster S. I never thought of the paint as "soft". I've had six black cars. (I'm glutton for punishment.) The black paint on the Boxster stood up to buffing as good as the paint on any of the black cars that I have had.
Now Mr Kor, Cayman Activist and Albertian given to extreme generalization ("paint is paint"), as one who has painted dozens of cars in nitocelulose lacquer, acrylic lacquer and enamel, and alkyd enamel and closely observed many repair jobs in clear-coated paint, I have a question for your expert consideration. Is it the primer, the color, or (surely not) the clear that is water-based in factory paint jobs and why are all three two-part and solvent-based, never water-based, in the repair business. I have really always wondered about this and have now found an expert to answer. Regards, Ed
i take everything that scottwax says seriously, because i do believe he is a credible source on anything involved with detailing at autopia.. its not only him that claims it, most detailers in the states say the same. at detailingworld UK, there has been mixed views about it, especially from DaveKG, the UK version of scottwax
hard or not hard, it all comes down to whether its easy to correct paint defects or not.. hard clear means that using a PC to remove swirls will take longer time on a BMW, but less on soft porsche clear. However, although soft clears are easier to correct, some say using a pc would not break down the polish properly before it dries, and that could leave micromarring on the paint.. my advice would be to skip all the worrying and just hand it over to scottwax! All you have to do is make sure you wash it carefully/properly so that you dont create new swirls in the paint!
and yes, these detailing forums are getting to me!
Sonus, Ultima, Polycharger & Ultimate Detailing Machine are our brand! We created our brands of car cleaners, polishes, protectants, microfiber towels and car polishers as a statement of our own car enthusiast detailing. Our brands embody all of the qualities we seek in detailing products for our own cars.
We're not a superstore (and proud not to be)! Anyone can bring every brand name in the industry into their web store and tell you that every product is "the best". We focus on what works and the products we will use on our own cars. It is our own continuous process of learning and pursuit of solutions for detailing perfection that makes a product worthy of being offered to you.
I like to argue so I am given to making extreme generalizations
My last car was black and I have had a few cars painted too...
You're right paint is not paint. But factory paint from a german carmaker is factory paint from a german carmaker How's that?
Basically that is what I was trying to say. They use standard process to spray cars in the factory and they don't make one color softer and no brand like Porsche is going to use inferior painting processes.
Scottwax is a stand up guy that will do an absolutely stunning job on your car. Whether or not the paint is soft vs. hard I don't know. However, I have been a member of Autopia for over 8 years and Scottwax's reputation is fantastic. There are thousand's of pictures on Autopia of Scottwax's work.
The discussion of paint hardness may be in comparison to other paints. In the detailing world Audi's have a reputation of having very "hard" and/or difficult clears to correct swirl marks. Whereas, Porsche's in general have a reputation of being easier to correct. Also don't think of hard vs. soft as one being better than other. Just different characteristics.
Sonus, Ultima, Polycharger & Ultimate Detailing Machine are our brand! We created our brands of car cleaners, polishes, protectants, microfiber towels and car polishers as a statement of our own car enthusiast detailing. Our brands embody all of the qualities we seek in detailing products for our own cars.
We're not a superstore (and proud not to be)! Anyone can bring every brand name in the industry into their web store and tell you that every product is "the best". We focus on what works and the products we will use on our own cars. It is our own continuous process of learning and pursuit of solutions for detailing perfection that makes a product worthy of being offered to you.
My wife's 07 E320 is black. It is her third black E series Mercedes. The first two were a pain in the rear to keep looking good. When I picked up this new one I got into a discussion about black paint with the salesman. He told me that I would be pleased with the new “nano-paint”. I thought it was hype but so far it is the best black paint that I have ever seen. When I dry it I do not see swirl marks. It’s amazing.
In any case, I think I will just trust Scott and what he does. He did mention he thought there was a difference between the regular black and bassalt black. How all of it plays out I dont really know...but I am looking forward to seeing what the car looks like. I have not seen it clean...and it has some scuffs on the clear bra that may not come out unfortunately.
Kor-----fair enough, but I bet we both learned something from gfspencer's link. I don't so much like to argue as to cause trouble, not very good at it though.
By-the-by, I didn't mean I had HAD all those cars painted, I painted them myself. Talk to you again, Ed
