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Old 06-16-2008, 03:55 PM
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Not happy with my ONR results, it could be the practice.

I washed my car with ONR on father's day, following the technique outlined. I think I ended up with more swirl marks and scratches. (Car is black.)

I do not know if the ONR, my technique OR my #1 suspect my micro fiber towels are to blame. I used the yellow Costco micro fiber towels, I decided to order some from Chris. I also have professional detailer coming out next weekend.

It also could be that this is how a black car should look like on a sunny day. First time I experienced that since getting the car.

Any thoughts or hints?
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Old 06-16-2008, 05:29 PM
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I used the yellow Costco micro fiber towels,
NOooooo!!!! I know from experience these towels will scratch your finish. There is a world of difference between those and a real microfiber towel. I only use the costco ones for the very bottom side skirts and the insides of the wheel wells.

ONR is a great product with awesome results if you have the right tools. Don't use any pressure and gently roll the cloth so you don't drag any dirt across the paint, and rinse often. If my car is really dirty I will blast it with the hose to knock most of the stuff off before pulling it into the garage for the ONR treatment. I have a black car too. And at times it the biggest pain in the ***, but that is offset by every time I walk back to the car across a parking lot and say, "damn that is one fine looking car!!!"

Good luck and wait for those new towels.
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[quote=Tomasz;272426]I washed my car with ONR on father's day, following the technique outlined. ........./QUOTE]

What the heck is ONR?

I get tired of reading posts with PDK, DE, DFI, LSD, ... and all these other acronyms that only people who live here know. I know, go look it up in the FAQ or Glossary. I tried and most of them aren't there. I couldn't understand what lysergic acid diethylamide had to do with my Cayman until I stumbled on a post that actual spelled it out , "limited slip differential". Oh, a Posi rear, now I know what it is.

Why can we at least spell it out once so us newbies know what the H*ll you are talking about? This is a forum, not text messafginh.

Sorry, my rant is over.
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I'm not sure. NOR is a NO Rinse Car Wash.

As far as microfiber towels go . . . I argued a year ago that some microfiber towels were better than others. I argued that cheap towels would scratch your car. I got hammered. So I say again, make sure you use good microfiber towels or good 100% Cotton towels to clean your car. Buy towels from one of our sponsors. Stay away from Costco, Sam's, etc. (Their towels are probably fine for kitchen work but I wouldn't use them on my car.)
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What the heck is ONR?

Sorry, Optimum No Rinse.

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yup the towels when I typically use ONR on my cars as well as customers i make sure I'm using the best mf towels I can and typically they are either new or set aside just for the ONR.
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I'm not sure. NOR is a NO Rinse Car Wash.

As far as microfiber towels go . . . I argued a year ago that some microfiber towels were better than others. I argued that cheap towels would scratch your car. I got hammered. So I say again, make sure you use good microfiber towels or good 100% Cotton towels to clean your car. Buy towels from one of our sponsors. Stay away from Costco, Sam's, etc. (Their towels are probably fine for kitchen work but I wouldn't use them on my car.)
Who "hammered" you about towels? I don't recall seeing that...
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I'm sorry to hear you had a bad first experience w/ ONR But I have to agree though, I think the towels sound like the culprit here. Set those aside for engine/exhaust/wheel use imo. Using a softer, longer fiber/strand towel (like the 16x16 Elite Microfiber Dual Pile Towel) is a good idea and will help as it will assist in safely trapping the dirt. You can also use a sheepskin wash mitt(s), as they hold a lot of water. Another tip that you may consider is to mix some in a spray bottle and prespray a panel before working on it.
Hopefully this doesnt turn you off to ONR, it really is a great product. If the detailer coming to you next week is familiar w/ ONR, he may be able to give some of his personal tips on using the product as well.
And of course, feel free to call/pm/email any time w/ any questions you might have
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:48 AM
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Thank you.

I will try the better towels and ONR again. I also like the idea of hosing down the dirt before I start, though the car was not filthy.
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Yes, very deep pile micro fiber towels for ONR are of utmost importance as you have to have somewhere for the dirt to be pulled into.

Also make sure your towel is sopping / dripping wet as you wash. Use a lot of water, this isn't a damp towel process. This helps remove contaminants to some degree as rinsing does. I end up with a very wet floor in my garage when all is said and done.

I also apply Griots Spray on Wax (detailing spray will work too) on each wet panels before I dry, as it will help help lubricated your towel as you dry to minimize swirls; I do this when I wash regularly (before watering restrictions) too..........
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I have suffered through water restrictions for more than a year now and I feel like an expert on waterless washing as I have tried a variety of products. My routine to clean the car and avoid scratches is as follows.

Hidden bucket with water only. Spray the car down a section at the time with Poorboys Spray and wipe.
Use a dripping wet microfiber towel to remove dirt and dust- LOTs of water and VERY LIGHT strokes with the towel to avoid swirls and scratches. Spray the slightly wet surface with Sonus carnuba or your favorite detail with wax spray.Speed shine works well. Sonus is much better. Dry with a claen - high quality microfiber towel.
15-20 minutes and you Cayman looks like it just rolled out of a detail shop. A good solid coat of your favorite wax or sealer is necessary for this to work.

Auto zone/cosco grade microfiber towels are garbage. Don't even consider buying them. Glimmerglass- Chris NJ has great ones at a good price.Got my first order from him today. totally satisfied. highly reccomend.