OK! I have officially bought every towel, wax, polish soap etc. to take care of this baby! Hmmm sounds a lot like my wife. Now I was wondering everyones opinion on waxing. Or in my case working on those spiders and swirls on a dark car. Which product would you use?


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Edited by - zornet on 07/07/2006 11:11:27 PM

Rick,

Do a search - this is a horse that's been beaten to death many times on this board... the only thing that rivals this topic on number of opinions (besides Katie's wheels) is the great radar detctor debate... and if you're interested in those opinions, you should do a search on that, too

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<div>Do you have either of these polish/waxes? If not try the Zaino Z5 which is specifically for swirl marks and scratches. Hopefully your swirl marks are superficial and not intothe clear coat very deep. </div>
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I have had a black car for over 15 years and only use zymol product. I recently purchased the zymol wax specifically made for Porsche finishes and am extremely happy with it. The wax is very nice and thick. I have put over 6 coats on since I bought it and it is probably the best Zymol product I have bought to date. I also purchased the detail wax for the bumpers.

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If the damage is superficial you can try Zymol Ebony, later followed by your favorite Zymol wax or glaze. Ebony has a lower carnauba content then the regular waxes. The Ebony is more of a cosmetic solution than fullblown paintwork correction.

If you need paintwork correction (assuming there's enough paintwork to correct), that is the first issue to deal with rather than wax vs. sealant.

BTW, you can read our take on the wax vs.sealant debate at Detailbest.com.
Carnauba vs. Synthetic

Best regards,

Roger the Waxmeister

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I read the article you post Roger and I am very interested in this topic. However, unless I am missing something, there is not much of a debate there....it is more or less a singular opinion that Zymol is better than any synthetic. There is no real evidence given that synthetics are actually inferior other than to say synthetics just cannot compare. As a matter of fact, it seems that the article does not even go into the pros and cons of each, which is the least I would expect for a "debate." There is lots of reading on this very subject, of which I have read a ton. Often times, the hardest part of reading is to determine which product is carnauba and which is synthetic because many people simply assume the reader is familiar with a given product. Then the industry had to go and complicate the debate by adding different percentages of carnauba and a marketing explosion to go along with it. Then there is detailing spray.....wax or correct.....etc. Reading many details posts or stories and the lists of products they use, it seems to me that one could easily sink $1,000 or more into a single set of products to maintain ones car. Amazing and confusing at the same time.

Does anyone ever wax with carnauba then seal? Or (based on your article) does that not make sense at all because of the alleged protective longevity of carnauba itself?

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I wax with carnauba wax (P21S or zymöl) and "freshen" the shine with Griot's Speed Shine. I try not to mix polymers and carnauba wax.

Some synthetic waxes are very good. I just prefer "real" wax.

Ask ten people about the best wax and you will get eleven different answers.

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OK, let me clarify. The article was listed as our take on the subject.

Here's a historical tidbit on the history of Zymol. The hand-crafted Zymöl paste waxes are based on a carriage maker's formula developed in Bischofsheim, Germany in the late 1800s. The co. president noticed while attending a festival in that town how well preserved the antique carriages and wagons were. He stayed on to inquire about the "secret formula". The secret formula contained a lot of rendered beef fat!

After researching what exactly the formula's benefits were, it turned out that the formula was actually restoring nutritive oils to paint that would have been otherwise lost.

With the help of a lot of professional research plant oils and high grade carnauba wax now do the job of feeding the paintwork.

Or as I like to say "It's like sending your car to the Clinique counter!"

Detailing is sort of like religion. Everyone wants the same end result, but there is disagreement on the best way to get there!

As far as carnauba, there are different grades from the very common to the highest quality yellows and whites. One interesting tidbit: Tic-Tac mints, along with some other similar products contain carnauba wax (though not the most costly grades). Some car care brands load up on lesser grades.

Zymol is a true enthusiast's product line with a Pebble Beach winning pedigree.

BTW, I haven't run into anyone who puts sealant over carnauba.

Best regards,

Roger the Waxmeister

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