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Old 03-12-2007, 02:58 AM
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Step Son Scratched My Black Croc

Ok...I know this has been asked and answered but I am not a tech kind of guy so please excuse the question in this category. My step son (20) spilled water on the hood and then wiped it off with a paper towel. What is the easiest way to get tiny swirl and tiney scratch marks out and the shine it again. He rubbed it lightly so it's not teeeiblr but I can't stand the swirls. Very minor though.

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Old 03-12-2007, 03:29 AM
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Thanks. Do any Zaino products work? And in which order do I apply them? Does clay work?
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How-to Remove Swirl Marks


Zaino: Step-by-Step Instructions here


Although popular internet myth may have you believe that Zaino Z5 can magically remove swirl marks, the unfortunate truth is it only hides minor swirls (emphasis on "minor"). For this reason, Z5 Show Car Polish is an excellent base coat on black paint, but it's not a substitute for polishing. All paint finishes require occasional polishing to remove blemishes, oxidation and swirl marks. You can mask and hide these problems for a while, but not for ever.

Paint Preparation

In the traditional Zaino application methodology, Dawn dishwashing detergent is recommended for pre-wax cleaning (i.e., use to prepare your paint for Z2, Z3 or Z5). My experience is that Dawn detergent, or any dishwashing detergent for that matter, is overly harsh on plastic, rubber and paint. In my experience, using Dawn to wash your car will noticeably reduce the natural sheen of plastic and rubber.

The best solution for paint preparation is to wash your car with Z7 Car Wash (or another quality shampoo), use detailing clay, then wash again with a fresh bucket of Z7. This will safely and effectively remove all contamination. If you wish, you can use a fresh bucket of your Z7 Car Wash as your clay lubricant. My favorite way to use clay is to fill my bucket with fresh water (warm) and add an ounce of Z7.

Again, internet myths would have many Zaino Show Car Polish users believe that polishing is bad for your paint because it reduces clear coat thickness. This statement is true if you're using a rubbing compound or heavy cutting polish, but is not correct when talking about fine pre-wax polishes and gloss enhancing polishes.

Fine polishes serve to keep paint healthy by removing microscopic surface oxidation. They also round over the edges of swirl marks to reduce or eliminate their visibility.

Swirl marks are nothing more than micro marring in the paint surface. Under a microscope, they appear to be scratches; however, you can't feel these scratches with your fingers or finger nail.

The reason swirl marks and other micro marring show up so prominently on black and other dark colors is because the sides of the marring reflect light. When you polish, the edges are rounded and reduce reflection.

The most noticeable areas for swirl marks are the hood and trunk. On dark-colored cars, they might also show up on the doors and fenders. Bright colors do not show swirl marks as much because they reflect more light. That doesn't mean they don't get swirl marks; the marks just show up more readily on dark colors. Black, of course, is the worst of all colors for displaying swirls and other imperfections.

Swirl marks can be removed by polishing. Polishing out swirl marks without a buffer is a lot of work. I recommend polishing your car one small section at a time so you can see the progress.

To remove swirl marks, use a good polish or "swirl remover." Many polish manufacturers market a special polish for removing swirls. Swirl remover polish formulas typically contain fillers and oils to help hide swirl marks. With regular polishing, over time, swirl marks will diminish. It's very difficult to completely remove swirl marks. Even the best towels and wash tools cause some micromarring.

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Thanks very much for the time you spent in relpying, I appreciate it very much. I am going to try the Zaino method. I hope it is not too difficult to apply or to wipe dry. I don't have an electric buffer and need to use elbow greese. At my age I am not sure whether my elbows need more greese than the car!! I am going to try it anyway. Thanks very much.

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Why not let your stepson use his elbow grease...lesson well learned.
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Zaino actualy does make a product that might help you remove minor scratches and swirl marks, called:

Z-PC Fusion Dual Action Paint Cleaner Swirl Remover

I've had pretty good success with it on my black BMW X3
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I use EagleOne scratch remover fine polish. works great, takes out those fine swirls you see when the sun reflets on it.
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Mr MP.......Would you suggest claying for a new 07 Black Cayman? I've had it since Dec. and am looking forward to my first real waxing/polishing within the next few months. I've used Megiuar's Quick Detailer after my washes this winter. I'm leaning towards the Zaino product after doing much reading here and elsewhere. Funny that I can not buy Zaino on line from here in Jersey even though Zaino is located here.
If "Z5 Show Car Polish is an excellent base coat on black paint, but it's not a substitute for polishing" What Zaino product is a Polish? And what would come after the Polish?..Thanks
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JerseyBob,

I was a newcomer to Zaino products, but after doing some reading here through the forums, I was inspired by the elbow grease a 50+ year old man put forth while shining up his new cobalt blue Cayman S (oh Hi Russ ). Do a search and check out some of his pics and tips.

Anyway, I would recommend you have a look at this site for some very helpful info: http://www.lazaino.com/ApplyZaino.htm

When I first got my car in Spring '06, I followed path #1 (referenced at that link) which included using the Clay Bar. I thought, what the heck, this is going to be a long process, so may as well go all out ... that way I can be sure the finish is free of any contaminants before starting. It does take a good part of your day to go through so many steps, but the results are long lasting, and you get a chance to intimately know your Cayman as you apply and buff off all those curves!

Anyway, Z2 with ZFX (ZFX is simply a blue solution you use a few drops of as an additive to the Z2) was the polish I used. I repeated the Z2+ZFX ... remove polish ... Z6 ... wipe dry process 3x. After that I only washed and used the occasional Z6 for the rest of the year.

I live in CT and the winter's been quite mild so drove the car most of the time, but it 's been put away for a few months recently, and just sprung her from the garage this last weekend. Before doing so, I did the Zaino 3x polish process again (this time without the clay bar), and the finish looks absolutely stunning. My car is GT Silver, so it's harder to visibly see any swirl marks, but I can't find a single one on her and the car, even when dry, has a beautiful wet look because of the polishing process.

Enjoy!

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SnowDog. Thanks for your input, I hope this 50+ guy's elbows will hold up. I'll check that link. BTW, did you take Sal Zaino's direction of only using 100% cotton or did you use MicroFiber towels. Also, did you buy your products in a kit?

The mild winter is good/bad, good for the Cayman, bad for my Vokels!
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