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I was reading in Excellence mag about the Sportec 911 that they equipped with PCCB's but not from Porsche but supposedly from the same manufacturer who also makes them for the Audi S8 which got me to thinking what does Audi charge for carbon ceramic brakes?
Well I went to the US Audi site and tried to build an S8 but I could not find the carbon ceramic brake option.
Does anyone know if you can source PCCB equivalents through Audi and if so at what price?
This is the link to the special group for PCCB. Did a websearch and could not find more information but on the link there is a phone number to the company headquarters.
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Last edited by Yellowdragon; 08-15-2007 at 05:47 AM.
I was reading in Excellence mag about the Sportec 911 that they equipped with PCCB's but not from Porsche but supposedly from the same manufacturer who also makes them for the Audi S8 which got me to thinking what does Audi charge for carbon ceramic brakes?
Well I went to the US Audi site and tried to build an S8 but I could not find the carbon ceramic brake option.
Does anyone know if you can source PCCB equivalents through Audi and if so at what price?
In Europe Audi S8 CSiC brakes dealer retrofit kit costs circa €12,000
I don't know about the rotors, but Porsche holds a shared patent on the calipers that come on its cars. They are a "monobloc" design that Porsche has held a shared patent on with Brembo since they were invented in the 1990's. So even though Brembo manufactures the stock calipers, they probably cannot sell the actual Porsche-specific monobloc design to anyone other than Porsche. Most aftermarket calipers (including some but not all of Brembo's aftermarket kits) have steel bolts holding the two halves of the caliper together, just like pre-monobloc Porsche cars had. If you look at your stock 996, 986, 997 or 987 calipers, you will notice that there are no bolts holding the two halves together because the entire caliper is cast as a single piece (aka "monobloc").
I assume there must be some advantage to the monobloc design, but I don't know what it is... (cost, reliability, weight, resistance to thermal damage, pedal-feel... who knows).
Looking at Brembo's online catalogue, it looks like their 6-piston "GT" calipers have no bolts, so those may be monoblocs of some sort, but just be careful. Not everything that looks like an "upgrade" is.
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Re: Brembo
I had the chance to tour their factory in Italy several years ago with some other VC investors. It was a small factory but a highly robotic process that started with raw materials on one end and ending with a finished product on the other with very little intervention by humans. The most fascinating part was that once the Brembo folks found out that I was a car guy they took me into the "secret" testing area where they did simulations for F1 teams on brakes using actual data from races. At the end of the day they gave me a carbon fiber brake from Senna's Brazilian GP win along with a letter of authenticity. The other guys got key chains.
I don't know about the rotors, but Porsche holds a shared patent on the calipers that come on its cars. They are a "monobloc" design that Porsche has held a shared patent on with Brembo since they were invented in the 1990's. So even though Brembo manufactures the stock calipers, they probably cannot sell the actual Porsche-specific monobloc design to anyone other than Porsche. Most aftermarket calipers (including some but not all of Brembo's aftermarket kits) have steel bolts holding the two halves of the caliper together, just like pre-monobloc Porsche cars had. If you look at your stock 996, 986, 997 or 987 calipers, you will notice that there are no bolts holding the two halves together because the entire caliper is cast as a single piece (aka "monobloc").
I assume there must be some advantage to the monobloc design, but I don't know what it is... (cost, reliability, weight, resistance to thermal damage, pedal-feel... who knows).
Looking at Brembo's online catalogue, it looks like their 6-piston "GT" calipers have no bolts, so those may be monoblocs of some sort, but just be careful. Not everything that looks like an "upgrade" is.
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While I suspect most of this is true, Brembo does sell the Gran Turismo kit which is 6 or 8 piston monobloc calipers. They list Porsche as one of the cars that they can be retrofit on. Although it does say "excluding PCCB"
I've seen the 8 piston first hand at a shop I frequent, they were installing yellow ones on a Ferarri 430, man are they HUGE!
bump! SGL Carbon is the co-developer of the ceramic rotors, in conjunction with Porsche, starting back in 1998. I am currently sending out a couple of requests to them, and to others, to see if ceramic composite brakes can be procured outside of the 'usual' channels. If I could retrofit for several thousand dinaro then I will be throwing out a GB thread! Saving 15# per corner (unsprung and rotating weight) with the addition of the RAC Monolites would be absolutely stunning!
Most aftermarket calipers (including some but not all of Brembo's aftermarket kits) have steel bolts holding the two halves of the caliper together, just like pre-monobloc Porsche cars had. If you look at your stock 996, 986, 997 or 987 calipers, you will notice that there are no bolts holding the two halves together because the entire caliper is cast as a single piece (aka "monobloc").
I didn't know that. Thanks. I thought all aftermarket Brembos were monobloc
This is a 355mm Brembo (F50). See the bolts?
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I assume there must be some advantage to the monobloc design, but I don't know what it is... (cost, reliability, weight, resistance to thermal damage, pedal-feel... who knows).
