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Old 10-06-2008, 05:49 AM
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Taking the liquid-cooled plunge...

Guten Tag, I have been out of the sportscar world for the past eight years, getting my fix from motorcycles. I have decided to return to the fold, and since I've been a fan of the Porsche 962C after being awed by one at my first visit to the Daytona 24 in 1983- I thought a 987 Coupe would be appropriate. I have always considered myself a die hard air-cooled fan after owning a '76 911S and an '86 Carrera Factory Widebody (I don't count the two 944s- different animals altogether), and even most of my bikes have been air-cooled (BMW, Ducati, Buell, and H-D). But now I'm jumping in with both feet and purchasing an '07 987 Coupe with 20,244 miles.

The reason I refer to it as a 987 is because I am one of those types that doesn't believe Porsches should be named for pepper, or small reptiles- it's just not respectable. Additionally, I swore I'd never own a Porsche newer than a 993- but I have recently discovered how much I've been missing. I'm also gong against my old rules requiring a manual tranny, and getting a Tiptronic- I guess I'm getting lazy in my old age.

This is my first post here, so I wanted to say "hello" and let you know a little about why I'm here. I'm looking forward to spending more time here, getting to know the members, and learning lots of great things about my new toy.
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I have always considered myself a die hard air-cooled fan after owning a '76 911S and an '86 Carrera Factory Widebody and even most of my bikes have been air-cooled (BMW, Ducati, Buell, and H-D). But now I'm jumping in with both feet and purchasing an '07 987 Coupe with 20,244 miles.
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All things change. Even BMWs (motorcycles) are no longer strictly air cooled.
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Hold out for one more year and get the PDK...forget the tipronic! It would be worth the wait!
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Grüß Gott! Willkommen!

All things change. Even BMWs (motorcycles) are no longer strictly air cooled.
No, they are not...

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Air cooling is cool and nostalgic, but then again so are 4 speed transmissions, carburetors and distributor caps. Porsche should get an award for ringing out the air cooled engine for every drop of performance possible. But when you add water jackets, you get so many benefits. Finer combustion control, 4 valves per cylinder, better noise control, better control of detonation and pre-ignition, and so on. These things generally translate to more performance and better reliability. Good trade offs for a little more weight and a small parasitic consumption from the water pump.

The 993 is a fine automobile indeed, one that I would love to add to my stable. But Porsche has really raised the bar in the 10 years since it last sold them. I am one who deeply respects the 911, and personally loves the 993. Even so, I would venture to bet that a 987 coupe is superior to a 993 in almost every way. That doesn't mean that the 993 is a bad car. Just that a Cayman will out maneuver, out accelerate and out last a 993 any day. A 993 might excel at braking (if set up correctly) and resale value.

You've come to the right place to learn more. Welcome to the club. See you around,
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Hold out for one more year and get the PDK...forget the tipronic! It would be worth the wait!
There's going to be a big difference in price between a used 20K mile '07 Tip and a '10 new PDK...
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I used to have one of those! Probably my all time favorite BMW Motorrad! Fast . . . comfortable . . . smooth . . .
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It's nice to see some bike lovers here, there always seems to be way more car enthusiasts than motorcyclists in my experience. My '07 BMW R1200S is a prime example of squeezing modern levels of performance out of a century-old design. I appreciate everyone's input- I think I have found the right place for opinions and advice.

What I have been most impressed with is the difference in every day drive-ability between the older 911s and the new ones. I must admit that the '86 Carrera was pretty much a pig below 60mph, but a dream at triple digits. I guess I no longer have to worry about blowing air boxes anymore- that's a relief. I had narrowed my decision down to an '01 Carrera Cabrio (6sp man) with 12k miles for $35,000 and the '07 987C (Tip) with 20k miles for $36,200 . Both are absolutely gorgeous, but I think the 987C is the best looking Porsche currently in the stable- so that's what I picked.

I will be posting my driving impressions, and learning as much as I can from this site- there appears to be many knowledgeable people here with refreshingly "mature" opinions. As is so true on motorcycles, the safest place to be is on the track- especially when exploring the limits of man and machine.

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I've been riding motorcycles for 40+ years, always had one in the barn of one mark or another. Have ridden BMW motorcycles for about 10 years and have thoroughly enjoyed the long distance trips, rally's and the BMW motorcycle cult.

Never really liked cars all that much, I've owned five Honda Civics in a row, all of them very high mileage when sold. Then, about 7 years ago I bought a VW GTI: nice car, plush, not particularlly fast or agile but compared to the Honda buck boards I've driven it was light years ahead but like the Hondas it had torque steer.

Then my Mom died in June. She left me some money and I got to thinkin, hmmmmm. I had always wanted a Porsche, a red one. After a month of evenings spent online looking at Porsche cars even the Beck Spyders, I decided the Cayman S was the one. A test drive at the local Porsche dealer was the last step. I settled on an '07 demo with 4000 miles. The new ones weren't red.

I don't know how to drive this car fast yet - a lot of my motorcycle skills don't seem transferable except maybe Slow-Look-Lean-Roll (& LOL) but this car, this car is very exciting to drive! I'm thoroughly impressed, it seems to have that boot in the arse you can get from a high performance bike, especially that wail from behind the seat then the street light posts begin to blur. It has air conditioning, heated seats, a 1990's era radio, no ipod connection and not much else to get in the way of you and the car; that's fine for me, I've traveled light most of my life so I don't feel at all like I gave up anything. This car has soul, the first car I've known to have one.

The Cayman Club seems to be an all right group of guys, much like the BMWMOA, not overly large and everyone is helpful and knowledgeable. Enjoy that car Kneedragger...
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pepys,

Your post requires several replies. First of all, please accept my condolences on the passing of your Mom. But for me personally, I find it nice that Mom was able to help you discover a new experience. I'm sure she would love to see your enjoyment, and I hope that your new toy will remind you of her every time you get that silly grin from driving it.

In regard to discovering how to drive your car, you've already started down the right path. You joined the PCA. I encourage you to explore Autocross and DE events in your area. You will be truly amazed at both the abilities of your car, and the generosity of the PCA instructors and members in helping you discover them. Soon you will learn to translate "Look-Lean-Roll" to "Brake-Off-Turn-Squeeze" (you can add a silent 'Look' in there, not a bad idea....).
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