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You have to be an axxhole to drive on a public road at those speeds, period!
No excuses, just absolutely irresponsible behavior. Sorry for my rant, but innocent people could pay a very high price for schoolboy behavior, grow up.
" Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" John 8:7 . A speed 2 miles above the speed limit is breaking the law, and you can be ticketed in most states. Eating and driving is irresponsible, texting and driving is irresponsible, and talking on the phone and driving is irresponsible. As a matter of fact studies show that driving while talking on the phone impairs your driving as much as if you were intoxicated with a 0.08% alcohol level, which is enough to be arrested in our state. The man was imprudent but let's look at ourselves too.
As a person who has owned several BMW M cars, I can understand why they are driven this way on public highways. It seems that BMW has engineered such a frenetic personality into these cars that they are absolutely frustrating to drive at anything other than high rpm's, which obviously translates to immediate highly illegal (and some would say highly irresponsible) speeds on public roadways. This was probably one of the biggest factors in my decision to order the CS instead of another M car. It is a far more entertaining car to drive at any speed, and particularly in the twisties. I think Porsche has absolutely nailed it with the Cayman. I think of it as a gocart on steroids. As for the M5, it's a bit unreasonable to expect that you could stay with a car making over 200 more horsepower than the Cayman. As for me, the older I get, the faster I was.
It is never safe to be in or on the same highway with a high speed vehicle. That said have you driven on the Autobahn? I spent 3 weeks driving around Europe. Europe in general, and the Autobahn specifically have a vastly different way of driving than US drivers. Once on the Autobahn you become rapidly indoctrinated in the way of the road. Or you risk a crash. Slower traffic religiously keeps right, except and only when passing. Left lanes are reserved for the "fast lane", and where when you begin a pass you have to beware of traffic coming behind you. You are flashed if a car off in the distance is coming. One time I began to pass a slower vehicle (very rare since I was in a Fiat 500), and I could barely see the car coming, I only saw the headlight flashes, and as I pulled back right after my pass, a Mercedes came roaring past me over 100 MPH.
On the Autobahn it is safer than the US traffic weaving, dodging and speeding shown by US drivers. The strange reason it is safer there is because it is different there. Albeit, never 100 % straight.
After coming back to the US, I found driving on US freeways frustrating and I was angry for a time.
In some country's after years of government indoctrination we tend to believe that if we go over the speed limit we are placing ourselves in danger and others.
Dangerous driving in reality is when the speed does not suit the conditions... not what a speed limit sign states
I myself have travelled the german autobahn a few times over the last 2 years and have maintained speeds of 200-220kmh and felt comfortable but certainly with a much higher level of concentration.
My point is that its not the speed that matters.... its the conditions surrounding you.
Cars are for us to enjoy and i am sure we all have times were the imposed speed limit is frustrating and doesn,t make sense according to the conditions and circumstances.
For the record I always travel at or near the speed limit because I do not want to give one dollar to governments who treat speeding as a cash cow.
Also is it any less dangerous driving thru mountain or twisty roads near the limits of adhesion basking in the handling of a Cayman when one slip can catapult you into a car coming the other way.I think not and i am sure most are guilty at one time or another.
With respect I sense too many mid-life opinions and indoctrinated thinking.
" Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" John 8:7 . A speed 2 miles above the speed limit is breaking the law, and you can be ticketed in all states. Eating and driving is irresponsible, texting and driving is irresponsible, and talking on the phone and driving is irresponsible. As a matter of fact studies show that driving while talking on the phone impairs your driving as much as if you were intoxicated with a 0.08% alcohol level, which is enough to be arrested in our state. The man was imprudent but let's look at ourselves too.
Cheers
I always love the "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" argument.
So let me understand this, Some Neanderthal speeding at 150 MPH = myself or anyone else who might occasionally go 5 or 10, or 15 MPH over the posted highway limit. Yeah, I see that 70 or 75 MPH on a interstate is as dangerous as 150 MPH, got it. Also imprudent is not a word I would apply to someone traveling 150 MPH on a public highway.
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With respect I sense too many mid-life opinions and indoctrinated thinking.
Not sure if this refers to me or not.
1. I am not mid life. (I am past that, though I wish otherwise)
2. I don't anyone past the age of 5, much less age 16, free of indoctrinated thinking. (except mentally impaired).
I agree safety for ones life is dependent on surrounding conditions on our roads, and personal responsibility to apply rational judgement in these conditions.
I disagree that the safety of our driving licenses is dependant on the same, rather the existing laws and the application of these laws by Mr. John Law.
I'm driving an M Coupe right now (Not this very second, that would be imprudent), and it really isn't in its element unless you're tacking it up and banging through gears. Definitely not what I'd call "civilized". (I'll write up an in-depth comparison shortly) Glad to see that I'm not the only "Neanderthal" here, I'm pretty sure my own mother drives faster than a lot of our fellow posters. Lemme see if I can follow the logic here, somehow it's unsafe to ever drive at 150 MPH on a public highway, despite the fact that Porsches are designed to consistently hit 171? The vehicle is built to generate down-force, is supposedly a performance car capable of being competitive on a race track, yet occasionally brushing 150 is absurdly reckless? Don't gimme this track nonsense either, you aren't likely to clip 150 on most American race tracks, at my last event you were lucky to get a 987 much over 120 on the back straight. (VIR South Course) Suffice it to say you'll never touch the Cayman's top speed outside of an airport runway or highway. Even not withstanding the brevity of mortal lives (more than enough encouragement to take a chance every once in while, IMHO), you are also just as dead at 70-75 miles an hour as you are at 150 if another motorist crosses your lane of travel, or worse hits you head on. It's the other idiots that you've got to worry about, and they have a limitless capacity for inflicting damage. Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
Just b/c a car can hit a certain speed doesn't mean it's safe at that speed or a lesser one (though I've found my CS to be very stable).
Public roads have many variables, including surface conditions (bumps, gravel, etc.), wildlife, and most notably, other innocent bystanders who are endangered. I used to have a similar attitute that as long as I stayed in my lane and eveyone else stayed in mine, there wasn't any big deal about a high speed variance between me and other traffic. Then one day long ago, somebody switched lanes in front of me as I was closing in at high speed. I had two choices: rear end him, or avoid him into an oncoming traffic lane. Fortunately, there was no oncoming traffic and the net result is that it just pissed me off, but it was an effective wakeup call. Remember that many other motorists won't be paying as much attention as you, and they won't see you closing in at a much higher rate of speed.
It's one thing to accept a certain risk level on a deserted twisty backroad, but pretty selfish to haul *** through traffic.
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Originally Posted by AlexMcNabb
I'm driving an M Coupe right now (Not this very second, that would be imprudent), and it really isn't in its element unless you're tacking it up and banging through gears. Definitely not what I'd call "civilized". (I'll write up an in-depth comparison shortly) Glad to see that I'm not the only "Neanderthal" here, I'm pretty sure my own mother drives faster than a lot of our fellow posters. Lemme see if I can follow the logic here, somehow it's unsafe to ever drive at 150 MPH on a public highway, despite the fact that Porsches are designed to consistently hit 171? The vehicle is built to generate down-force, is supposedly a performance car capable of being competitive on a race track, yet occasionally brushing 150 is absurdly reckless? Don't gimme this track nonsense either, you aren't likely to clip 150 on most American race tracks, at my last event you were lucky to get a 987 much over 120 on the back straight. (VIR South Course) Suffice it to say you'll never touch the Cayman's top speed outside of an airport runway or highway. Even not withstanding the brevity of mortal lives (more than enough encouragement to take a chance every once in while, IMHO), you are also just as dead at 70-75 miles an hour as you are at 150 if another motorist crosses your lane of travel, or worse hits you head on. It's the other idiots that you've got to worry about, and they have a limitless capacity for inflicting damage. Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
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I'm driving an M Coupe right now (Not this very second, that would be imprudent), and it really isn't in its element unless you're tacking it up and banging through gears. Definitely not what I'd call "civilized". (I'll write up an in-depth comparison shortly) Glad to see that I'm not the only "Neanderthal" here, I'm pretty sure my own mother drives faster than a lot of our fellow posters. Lemme see if I can follow the logic here, somehow it's unsafe to ever drive at 150 MPH on a public highway, despite the fact that Porsches are designed to consistently hit 171? The vehicle is built to generate down-force, is supposedly a performance car capable of being competitive on a race track, yet occasionally brushing 150 is absurdly reckless? Don't gimme this track nonsense either, you aren't likely to clip 150 on most American race tracks, at my last event you were lucky to get a 987 much over 120 on the back straight. (VIR South Course) Suffice it to say you'll never touch the Cayman's top speed outside of an airport runway or highway. Even not withstanding the brevity of mortal lives (more than enough encouragement to take a chance every once in while, IMHO), you are also just as dead at 70-75 miles an hour as you are at 150 if another motorist crosses your lane of travel, or worse hits you head on. It's the other idiots that you've got to worry about, and they have a limitless capacity for inflicting damage. Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
Reminds me of a trip I went on in '03 in Germany, Fast Lane Tours Peter Sontag. There were 21 cars divided in groups of 7 ( 911 ) doing upwards of 155 MPH on public roads all 21 same road at the same time, no accidents or problems, except at low speeds when a participant ,driving a 911 TT, hit a raised curb, in a small town in the Alps and suffered a flat. Our only accident.
Which, in my experience , indicates if speed is used with care and good equipment and good judgement it should not be more dangerous than lower speeds. However I'll go along with what Alex says driving is inherently dangerous at any speed.
I think we should have classfications
150 + weaving through traffic = guest starring appearance on cops (enter soundtrack)
150 + same lane = chp 11-99 foundation donor
120 - 150 same lane = neanderthal
71-119 same lane = imprudent
71 - 149 and weaving through traffic = axxhole
I came form the BMW crowd (2 E46 M3's) and this is not a rare occurrence in SoCal. I socumed to the pressure a couple times, but at a certain point I'd just hang back. These guys will drive equally aggressive in the canyons too!
Do you know what forum these guys were from?
m3forum/bimmerfest/mfest/m5boards all of them. there were a lot of cars but i didn't stay long enough to see all of them. they did have a fisker latigo , nsx's , a gt3rs, ford gt and of course a bunch of souped up 3 series but the guys i met who invited me out were the m5 bunch.
i added links to photos in my prev post but here they are
+1 on that.
