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Do yourself a favor,find some new friends, doing 150 mph on public roads is just plain reckless period. I don't care how empty the road was or how good a driver you think you are, what does this really prove?, my car is faster than yours?, com'on what are we 16 yrs. old. Ask your local fire/ rescue company what its like to pick up a head off the pavement with the torso 100 yards away, not much fun. Don't put someone else's family at risk,just becaus these clowns are trying to impress one another, thats what race tracks are for!
What's 9/10th around the track mean? i'm new to racing terminology.
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Originally Posted by 987Cayman s
I just don't understand the reason for this thread. Why would any Porsche driver care about what BMW drivers think? Porsche is a semi-exotic sports car. BMW is a German Chevy. So they stuff a huge engine into a sedan, who cares!
Put a Cayman and M5 on a track and run them both at 9/10th around the track and see what happens. If you don't know what I mean just take a look at M5's cheap brakes.
The M5 is one of if not the fastest 4 door sedan ever made. Especially considering the number of cars made. There may be some Mercedes cars or Audis as fast. I doubt the Panamera will touch it. The Brabus E V12 (a modified Mercedes) was the only car I could find as fast on this page.
You think the Panamera wont touch the M5, I beg to differ!!
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Originally Posted by AlexMcNabb
I'm driving an M Coupe right now (Not this very second, that would be imprudent), and it really isn't in its element unless you're tacking it up and banging through gears. Definitely not what I'd call "civilized". (I'll write up an in-depth comparison shortly) Glad to see that I'm not the only "Neanderthal" here, I'm pretty sure my own mother drives faster than a lot of our fellow posters. Lemme see if I can follow the logic here, somehow it's unsafe to ever drive at 150 MPH on a public highway, despite the fact that Porsches are designed to consistently hit 171? The vehicle is built to generate down-force, is supposedly a performance car capable of being competitive on a race track, yet occasionally brushing 150 is absurdly reckless? Don't gimme this track nonsense either, you aren't likely to clip 150 on most American race tracks, at my last event you were lucky to get a 987 much over 120 on the back straight. (VIR South Course) Suffice it to say you'll never touch the Cayman's top speed outside of an airport runway or highway. Even not withstanding the brevity of mortal lives (more than enough encouragement to take a chance every once in while, IMHO), you are also just as dead at 70-75 miles an hour as you are at 150 if another motorist crosses your lane of travel, or worse hits you head on. It's the other idiots that you've got to worry about, and they have a limitless capacity for inflicting damage. Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
I agree 100%, while I do agree that driving that fast on crowded highways isnt the smartest thing to do, but I'm really annoyed by the constant "take it to the track" and "this is stupid" preaching whenever someone says they've gone fast on a public street. Yes, we all know its dangerous, but it really depends on road conditions and its not an absolute principle!!!
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Top gear says bentley continental gt is fastest sedan
Some say its the 09 cady cts-v
Fast is so so different for so many people. What is the car enthusiasts definition of fast? Guinness says its top speed but i often hear some say fast = 0-60, some say quarter mile, some say its top speed, some say its lap around the Nuremberg. After all, they define the worlds fastest man as the the 100 meters right? So shouldnt' fast have a finite start and finish distance?
Then there is the 0-100, 1/4 Mi, Top Speed, Slalom, Indy 500, Nurburgring, Mille Miglia, Targo Florio, Sebring, and LeMans to consider.
Perhaps Motor Trend will have a shootout one day.
At any rate the M-5 is one Haulin A$$ piece of machinery.
I wouldn't be ashamed to say it beat you. If you got a Turbo installed,and for less total $$ than an M5, you would be able to reclaim the lead I bet. Go for it.
Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
Not real sure I follow this logic. Maybe driving is inherently dangerous, but so are other activities. I've been involved in the shooting sports all my life, never had an incident, but I don't react well to people ignoring safe behavior. I'm not without guilt when it comes to driving within the speed limit, but with years of track experience, as well as cleaning the remains of cars and people off the highway, I know the potential outcome of a high-speed crash. We each have to make our own decision regarding responsible behavior. I can only say to the folks who would routinely drive in a manner discussed in this thread, I wish you well, and I hope you never have reason to regret it.
I'm driving an M Coupe right now (Not this very second, that would be imprudent), and it really isn't in its element unless you're tacking it up and banging through gears. Definitely not what I'd call "civilized". (I'll write up an in-depth comparison shortly) Glad to see that I'm not the only "Neanderthal" here, I'm pretty sure my own mother drives faster than a lot of our fellow posters. Lemme see if I can follow the logic here, somehow it's unsafe to ever drive at 150 MPH on a public highway, despite the fact that Porsches are designed to consistently hit 171? The vehicle is built to generate down-force, is supposedly a performance car capable of being competitive on a race track, yet occasionally brushing 150 is absurdly reckless? Don't gimme this track nonsense either, you aren't likely to clip 150 on most American race tracks, at my last event you were lucky to get a 987 much over 120 on the back straight. (VIR South Course) Suffice it to say you'll never touch the Cayman's top speed outside of an airport runway or highway. Even not withstanding the brevity of mortal lives (more than enough encouragement to take a chance every once in while, IMHO), you are also just as dead at 70-75 miles an hour as you are at 150 if another motorist crosses your lane of travel, or worse hits you head on. It's the other idiots that you've got to worry about, and they have a limitless capacity for inflicting damage. Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
Please consider this: Acceleration + Mass = Force , in other words assuming mass is a constant, the higher the speed the greater the impact force, you tell me if speed matters in regard to safety. Please do not hold me responsible for the laws of physics, as that is well beyond my pay grade. While obvious, I think it needs to be restated here, the higher the speed the less time available to react, simple as that. I to wish to join elh0102 in wishing all those that fail to see the obvious the best of luck and hope you never have reason for regret.
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Last edited by Maybe Next One; 10-08-2008 at 02:26 PM.
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At 70-75 MPH, you've already attained lethal velocity if you encounter a solid object while riding around in the modern tin can we call an automobile. Doesn't matter if your skull gets bashed in, or your entire body becomes totally disintegrated, you are just as dead either way. I do have one rule for driving fast on the street, and it goes like this: Don't let your braking distance exceed your sight distance. In other words, if you can only see 150 feet around the next bend, and you need 200 feet to stop, slow down. Very necessary in Virginia, land of blind curves and frequent tractor crossings.
I guess I haven't seen the data that you have. Would love to see it.
I havent seen actual data either, I'm merely making a "smart guess" based on 2 things,
1. Porsche already knows that the M5 exists and that it is a direct competitor, so they'll probably release at least one model that will be faster, better handling, etc...
2. I read somewhere that they might be putting in the V10 unit from the CGT, guess that would do the trick
Still though, I'm not 100% sure about that, but I can tell u I'll be very disappointed if that didnt happen!
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"Sir! We're surrounded!" - "Excellent! We can shoot in any direction!"
A good car will get you from point A to point B. A great car... will just get you into trouble!
At 70-75 MPH, you've already attained lethal velocity if you encounter a solid object while riding around in the modern tin can we call an automobile. Doesn't matter if your skull gets bashed in, or your entire body becomes totally disintegrated, you are just as dead either way. I do have one rule for driving fast on the street, and it goes like this: Don't let your braking distance exceed your sight distance. In other words, if you can only see 150 feet around the next bend, and you need 200 feet to stop, slow down. Very necessary in Virginia, land of blind curves and frequent tractor crossings.
I am sure you are a nice guy, but I do not think you get it. The morgues have been filled with those that, ...have it under control..., with some set of special rules. I have posted my last post on this issue and I truly, and I mean truly, wish you well. I hope no harm comes to you, or any unfortunate soul on the highway around you. Lets leave it at, we respectfully agree to disagree.
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"...Politicians and diapers need to be changed often, and for the same reason..."
Lemme see if I can follow the logic here, somehow it's unsafe to ever drive at 150 MPH on a public highway, despite the fact that Porsches are designed to consistently hit 171? The vehicle is built to generate down-force, is supposedly a performance car capable of being competitive on a race track, yet occasionally brushing 150 is absurdly reckless? Don't gimme this track nonsense either, you aren't likely to clip 150 on most American race tracks, at my last event you were lucky to get a 987 much over 120 on the back straight. (VIR South Course) Suffice it to say you'll never touch the Cayman's top speed outside of an airport runway or highway. Even not withstanding the brevity of mortal lives (more than enough encouragement to take a chance every once in while, IMHO), you are also just as dead at 70-75 miles an hour as you are at 150 if another motorist crosses your lane of travel, or worse hits you head on. It's the other idiots that you've got to worry about, and they have a limitless capacity for inflicting damage. Unless you've got a roll cage, FIA approved helmet, and a five point restraining harness, driving is inherently unsafe, at any speed, regardless of how careful you're doing it. I've got the scars to prove it; even while minding your own business and doing the speed limit you really aren't improving your chances one iota. Getting off the soapbox now.
