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Does the 07 Boxter really drive much worse then the 07 Cayman?
Same engine, steering and most other parts. Obviously the Cayman is stiffer, but I was just wondering since the 07 Boxter gets rave reviews for its handling in every review, is quite a bit cheaper and....well is a convertible.
What would I be giving up with the new Boxter vs the Cayman?
What would I be giving up with the new Boxter vs the Cayman?
A hard top.
I have not driven a 07 Boxster so I can't compare the two directly. But I did have a 03 Boxster S and I have a 07 Cayman 2.7 now. I can't tell a lot of difference. If you like a convertible go for it. They are both great cars. I just prefer a hardtop.
Purely a personal preference. If you want a ragtop, won't track the car and are OK with the aesthetics, buy the Boxster. It's a great car and for street use, the equal of a Cayman.
I don't feel as safe in any convertible, track my car (some organizers prohibit stock convertibles), prefer the Cayman styling and found the Boxster's interior claustrophobic.
Purely a personal preference. If you want a ragtop, won't track the car and are OK with the aesthetics, buy the Boxster. It's a great car and for street use, the equal of a Cayman.
I totally agree, the new Boxster/S are equal to the C/CS in everyway, other than if you track the car. Normal driving you will not be able to tell the difference. Boxsters will always out-sell the Caymans, b/c it is a hell of a deal.
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Many say the car is the same. If you are a casual driver then it will seem the same. For me, no way it is the same. I do drive it near the edge often. I often take corners while never using the brakes. The Boxster is good, not worse, but when I go through those oh so lovely twistys, the Cayman is much better. The best thing? You dont look like a fool doing it! (IMO).
Same engine, steering and most other parts. Obviously the Cayman is stiffer, but I was just wondering since the 07 Boxter gets rave reviews for its handling in every review, is quite a bit cheaper and....well is a convertible.
What would I be giving up with the new Boxter vs the Cayman?
p.s. Car will never be tracked. Thanks!
As the owner of a 2007 Boxster S with Sport C & PASM I feel the cars are very much equal for everyday driving and most Autocross events. If you want to do lots of track days then I would highly recommend the Cayman S. If you put a skilled track person in each car and gave them a clear track the Cayman will win, no problem. On the other hand a good driver in the Boxster S will easily out drive a fair driver in the Cayman S as the Cayman S doesn't compensate for poor track skills. I believe it comes down to personal preference; I struggled for two days on which one to buy and decided the rag top was for me. The price difference is not that great and both are very good cars for all types of driving, either way you can’t go wrong.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Many say the car is the same. If you are a casual driver then it will seem the same. For me, no way it is the same. I do drive it near the edge often. I often take corners while never using the brakes. The Boxster is good, not worse, but when I go through those oh so lovely twistys, the Cayman is much better. The best thing? You dont look like a fool doing it! (IMO).
Sport Auto has some of the definitive times of laps around the Nurburging, or "green hell" of race tracks. Using the same driver, or comprable drivers, Sport Auto has listed the lap time for Cayman S at 8 min 25 sec. Sport Auto has 8 min 23 sec. for the 3.2 Boxster S. Walter Roehrl, test driver for Porsche got a 8 min 11 sec lap time in the Cayman S. Road and Track has interesting data for Cayman/Boxster 3.2. Ready? Better have a seat. 0-60, 4.8/5.0. 0-100, 11.7/12.2. 1/4 mile,13.3@106.2/13.4@105. Top Speed 171/167. Braking 60-0 110'/107', 80-0 190'/187'. Slalom 71.7/73.9. Skidpad g's .96/1.00. Conclusion? Porsche marketing milked $4K over Boxster prices rather than $4K under! Brilliant! There is a reason Porsche is the most profitable car company. There is no subsitute.
Last edited by Cayman Cabriolet; 12-15-2007 at 12:20 AM.
IIRC, the Cayman S has about 10% stiffer suspension (forget if it was springs, valving, or both). I could def. tell a difference driving both back to back around an autocross course, but if I had a BS, I wouldn't be complaining about the difference.
Drive both yourself, and pick the one that best meets your needs - you can't go wrong either way!
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IIRC, the Cayman S has about 10% stiffer suspension (forget if it was springs, valving, or both). I could def. tell a difference driving both back to back around an autocross course, but if I had a BS, I wouldn't be complaining about the difference.
Did anyone notice that in the stats Cayman Cabriolet posted, the Boxster S pulled higher Gs around the skidpad than the Cayman S? Are the much ballyhood handling improvements (hardtop, stiffer body, thicker roll bars, etc.) touted in the Cayman just marketing hype to justify the extra cost? They sure don't seem to make much of a difference in practice.
The Cayman clearly has better aerodynamics (and slightly faster performance as a consequence), but for all intents and purposes, they're equally matched cars. You can't go wrong - just decide whether you want a coupe or convertible. I opted for the convertible, and got the additional bonus of putting an extra $4,000 towards options (PASM, full leather, 19" rims, etc).
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
For me, its not which costs more at all. I had the opportunity to drive and buy a Boxster many times but I never liked the car enough to pull the trigger. I like what the Bxtr did for the brand though, in both sales and fun-factor. The image of the Bxtr was just too 'cute', kind of a pu**y car. I know that may sound condescending, but look at how the 911 guys viewed the 914... As the 911 was getting more aggressive with each year, the Bxtr continued to stay 'cute'. Its a fairly timeless design, it just never made the hair on the back of my neck tingle.
Well, my first sight of a Cayman S in person took my breath away. It was a car I HAD to have. The mid engine layout and a muscled up body holding clenched fists saying quietly - watch out big brother, a capable young warrior is on your heels.
I still argue the Cayman is the absolute best looking Porsche built in decades.
Last edited by StormTrooper; 12-15-2007 at 03:51 AM.
