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BMW just announced the new M3 pricing, and much to my surprise it came out about $10K *lower* than I thought it would. I just got off the BMW web site and easily configured one I'd like for $60K. Very impressive. I'd still rather have a Cayman S, because you can't hide an extra 600 pounds of weight, but the Cayman (and the 911, for that matter) is looking very over-priced lately. I'd bet some folks at Porsche headquarters were just as surprised as I am.
I just got off the BMW web site and easily configured one I'd like for $60K ... the Cayman (and the 911, for that matter) is looking very over-priced lately. I'd bet some folks at Porsche headquarters were just as surprised as I am.
$60K totally stripped. I configured one similar to my CS and its into the upper $60s. A similarly equipment CS would sell for thousands less new. Try buying a new M3 for thousand of MSRP like a Cayman
BMW just announced the new M3 pricing, and much to my surprise it came out about $10K *lower* than I thought it would. I just got off the BMW web site and easily configured one I'd like for $60K. Very impressive. I'd still rather have a Cayman S, because you can't hide an extra 600 pounds of weight, but the Cayman (and the 911, for that matter) is looking very over-priced lately. I'd bet some folks at Porsche headquarters were just as surprised as I am.
We love our Crocs, but they have been overpriced since before they came out. I recall reading an editorial in "Excellence" magazine almost a year before I bought mine commenting about the price premium that Porsche was charging over a similarly equipped Boxster.
Fortunately, free markets have a way of working those things out, and many of us paid considerable under sticker, although Porsche will not acknowledge that the discounts exist.
As for the M3, I too priced one up and it came out to about $64K. I commented to my wife that $64K was full sticker for my '06 CS, although I actually paid considerable less.
$60K totally stripped. I configured one similar to my CS and its into the upper $60s. A similarly equipment CS would sell for thousands less new. Try buying a new M3 for thousand of MSRP like a Cayman
No, $56k totally stripped, plus gas guzzler tax, of course. The only reason the CS will sell for thousands less is discounting for cars on the lots. Now I'm beginning to wonder if my prediction of a big price increase for the '09 Caymans will happen.
No, $56k totally stripped, plus gas guzzler tax, of course. The only reason the CS will sell for thousands less is discounting for cars on the lots. Now I'm beginning to wonder if my prediction of a big price increase for the '09 Caymans will happen.
There won't be a huge difference in terms of pricing on 09 Cayman models and 08 because all its getting is a new front bumper along with led taillight which it reminds me of SLR rear and I think it's fugly. M3 won't be sold for discount price for a while because of its such a high demand.
If I have to do it all over again, I'll go for m3 over cayman S anyday of the week.
And ZERO discounts on either, and none "on the lot" to pick from. There is no stock that the dealer specs and has sat around waiting for a buyer. Plus a worse standard spec and warrenty......
I think BMW's M-DKG double clutch transmission will add a lot to this car, for those that don't require a manual. With 4 doors, 8400rpm redline, mid 12's in the quarter and a honking German V8 it's going to be an ideal kid hauler / daily driver for enthusiasts.
C&D and R&T both tested 0-60 times at 4.1s, M-DKG may take it to under 4.0s depending on which version of launch control BMW gives the US. The sedan starts at $54,600.
Undoubtedly, I'm a BMW fan, to me they strike the best balance of performance, practicality and price of all the German marques.
Oh, the new C63 AMG starts at $56K, what a monster motor that thing has...oink.
Last edited by consolidated; 03-01-2008 at 08:14 PM.
I guess Porsche better get that DSG and DFI ready for 09 to keep up with this monster. and for ~63K, who needs a 4LT corvette that costs about the same? I agree that over 600 lbs is hard to hide, especially in corners.
I read somewhere that the double clutch transmission will arrive a year later than the manual, but only time will tell.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
I'm impressed with the apparent price to performance ratio. Looking from within the 3 Series price structure itself, $60-$64k is about $15k above a decked-out 335i Coupe, which is no slouch either. Considering how weak the U.S. Dollar is, $60k seems almost reasonable for the ultimate 3.
I guess Porsche better get that DSG and DFI ready for 09 to keep up with this monster. and for ~63K, who needs a 4LT corvette that costs about the same?
A friend of mine is getting his M3 in June (or so he's told), and I'm anxious to weasel a test drive out of him. He claims his price is MSRP, which he didn't know when he put down his deposit. I haven't talked to him in the past few weeks, so I don't know if the price is lower than he expected. There seems to be a lot of cross-shopping between Corvettes, M3s, and Caymans, so the competition may be interesting. Agree with you on the 4LT pricing... I think GM has finally set the pricing of the Corvette too high.
Lately BMWs are all too heavy. I remember how surprised I was when the M Coupe came out at 3300 pounds. The 135i is in that range too.