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Although some may argue that they are totally different cars and don't warrant a head to head test, I wonder if either Top Gear or Fifth Gear or any other have tested the new M3 against the CS on a track like they have against the RS4 and C63 AMG. On an M3 vs. GT3 vs. GTR test on Youtube,the M3 came a distant third after almost totally losing its brakes after a few laps.
The E30/E36 M3 days are long gone at BMW. BMW M is a brand that competes w/ AMG Mercedes. This should come as no surprise, because even Porsche struggles to produce real sports cars that people will actually buy. The vast majority of buyers in this market segment want image but not discomfort. Performance is important but not at the expense of reliability or convenience. BMW knows that losing a few "hardcore" customers is worth the reward that comes from catering the far larger number of people who want "the look", the bragging rights, and still haul the groceries/kids. Porsches aren't perfect, they are just less compromised.
The E30/E36 M3 days are long gone at BMW. BMW M is a brand that competes w/ AMG Mercedes. This should come as no surprise, because even Porsche struggles to produce real sports cars that people will actually buy. The vast majority of buyers in this market segment want image but not discomfort. Performance is important but not at the expense of reliability or convenience. BMW knows that losing a few "hardcore" customers is worth the reward that comes from catering the far larger number of people who want "the look", the bragging rights, and still haul the groceries/kids. Porsches aren't perfect, they are just less compromised.
Perhaps that's why Porsche is building the Panamera to compete with the E92 M3 and the C63 AMG.
In weighing the pros and cons of the M3 versus the Cayman S have you considered the $1,300 Gas Guzzler Tax on the M3 and the ongoing MPG delta between the two cars?
although I like the M3 a lot. Yet I'm very biased when it comes to any conflict involving Porsche's (kinda excluding the Cayenne).
Interior wise, BMW look far more dull than Porsche's, iDrive sometimes is nice, but many times it deserves the name iCrash better (quoted from CAR mag ). The dashboard lighning in BMWs (didnt see the M3 dash, but I'm assuming it would be the same as the 3 series coupe) with that annoying BMW orange lighning really is againest my taste (although the rest of the interior is nice).
The exterior of the BMW is very good, but as I had already said, I'm biased for Porsche's all the way.
For me I'd take a Porsche over a private jet (unless I can sell the jet and get the Porsche and more money )
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So I got my deposit back because DFI isn't going to be an option on MY09 CS's. So the sky is the limit (the 70k sky). Went to the BMW dealer just to look at the M3. OMG, that thing is beautiful. As is the CS...here's the dilemma: CS or M3?
M3: beautiful, fast, powerful, still handles great, has practically useless back seat, but could be used if needed, big trunk. Heavy and thirsty. More toys for the same money.
CS: beautiful, nimble, handles better. Could power up. Interior is more teutonic.
Go on, flame me, but help me too.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
well that didn't take long, but I figured it would come from Gator Bite. Yeah, I read that. There was a lot of "my wife told me..." and "I don't have a wife, so I ..." In addition, a lot of those posts were from before and around the launch date. I was hoping that with a month gone by, people would have either test driven one or know someone that has one and ridden in it. And have more than passionately/emotionally-driven opinions.
If I could have them both, then I would. I can only have one or the other, and I wonder how some out there feel about a few things:
1) Right now, if you had to do it again (now with the M available) would the decision honestly be the same?
2) Even though the M3 is a bigger performance car, would you sacrifice some of your handling characteristics for a bigger car with pretty great performance characteristics?
3) Perhaps the CS could beat a CS around the track, but in real world driving, would you still prefer the CS?
Sincerely, I would appreciate the responses, because I am COMPLETELY up in the air in terms of these things. And could see myself buying EITHER! Thanks in advance
The M3 was also on my list of cars I wanted, till I saw the interior of it in person.. Cannot live with driving something so ugly on the inside.. So i went for the CS
So I got my deposit back because DFI isn't going to be an option on MY09 CS's. So the sky is the limit (the 70k sky). Went to the BMW dealer just to look at the M3. OMG, that thing is beautiful. As is the CS...here's the dilemma: CS or M3?
M3: beautiful, fast, powerful, still handles great, has practically useless back seat, but could be used if needed, big trunk. Heavy and thirsty. More toys for the same money.
CS: beautiful, nimble, handles better. Could power up. Interior is more teutonic.
Go on, flame me, but help me too.
I don't know, I wouldn't exactly say the M3 is "beautiful". Testosterone overdosed and fierce, yeah, but it's not beautiful the way a CS is.
M3 is a very powerful and capable car, and probably has more toys as you said.
I'm not so sure about the price of the M3 either. I've been hearing local dealers quote it at close to M5 price levels.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
). The dashboard lighning in BMWs (didnt see the M3 dash, but I'm assuming it would be the same as the 3 series coupe) with that annoying BMW orange lighning really is againest my taste (although the rest of the interior is nice).
