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Although not a Cayman S, there is a DVD on the subject available in North America (and Europe where I found mine) entitled KING OF THE ROAD; 911 TURBO, which you might want to look at sometime.
Filmed in Japan, Porsche, Corvette, and a Ferrari Modena are compared for details, water and PASM course tested, and ultimately raced against three other Japanese cars.
Guess who came in first ? Guess who came in last ?
Why don't you just tell us? I'm certainly curious but don't really want to go through the trouble of buying the DVD.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Although not a Cayman S, there is a DVD on the subject available in North America (and Europe where I found mine) entitled KING OF THE ROAD; 911 TURBO, which you might want to look at sometime.
Filmed in Japan, Porsche, Corvette, and a Ferrari Modena are compared for details, water and PASM course tested, and ultimately raced against three other Japanese cars.
Guess who came in first ? Guess who came in last ?
The DVD is available on NETFLIX. I rented it a month ago or so. Its not nearly as "exciting" as you may think. It was doing for the Japan home market. The driving footage is average, just laps on courses, and slaloms. They even through in footage of Honda Civics and some other noise.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
I think its interesting that many of the C6 posters acknowledge the superior handling of the CS, but dismiss it for costs, ride comfort or other reasons.
I drove a 2007 C6+Z51 last weekend--went car shopping for my daughter and wife as a potential daily driver and track car. I drove it very hard. There's no question of the awesome power and awesome brakes on the C6, as well as the very high grip and limits.
There is also no question that the C6 has nothing like the feel and responsiveness of the CS. To me the C6 is like a Stealth Bomber: Big, Bad, Powerful, and you don't know its there until is drops a bomb on you (like 400HP breaking your rear end loose). The C6 isolates you from the road feel, brakes, etc. Its like the car does not come alive until you hit 120mph, then maybe you feel something, like the tires saying 'Hey, we're scrubbing some speed off here, dial it back some, would ya?"
My daughter drove the C6 as well: She put it more bluntly: "It sucks".
I could see that a really skilled driver could push this car at the track to be faster than a CS--but I'm not that driver. Yes, I like my "go kart" CS, just as I loved my 1986 MR2. With "big" 205/50/15s (Yes!!! that was "Plus 2" back in the day--seems puny now) it stuck like glue and communicated clearly. The CS is that to the Nth degree.
Although not a Cayman S, there is a DVD on the subject available in North America (and Europe where I found mine) entitled KING OF THE ROAD; 911 TURBO, which you might want to look at sometime.
Filmed in Japan, Porsche, Corvette, and a Ferrari Modena are compared for details, water and PASM course tested, and ultimately raced against three other Japanese cars.
Guess who came in first ? Guess who came in last ?
This must be pre-GT-R ... because all the articles I read ever since that car came to the market claims it to be King of the Road hands down!!
I'm serious .. everytime I pick up a car magazine at Barnes and Noble, it is talking about the GT-R spanking the Germans and so on ...
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
FYI, the Corvette's steering feel, shifter, and interior are greatly improved for '08. Still not quite up to CS standards, but I could happily live w/ an '08...esp. w/ that glorious LS3 engine.
I've driven an '08 as well as older C6's, and the changes are impressive.
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After reading through the thread....it's pretty amazing to me how civil its actually been kept!
I like Corvettes,.....but small, light and agile?.....not even close to a Cayman. Great power though. I see about 40 of them a day, big turn off for me at least. I also feel like I'm driving a big hulking bathtub in one, all be it a fast one.
I have nothing against American made automotive machinery. In fact I own a brand new Ford truck.....something America does best. Cheap, takes lots of punishment, easy to service, but kind of slapped together. Do I want those qualities in my sports car? No, that's why I buy from a manufacture that knows what qualities a sports car should possess and execute it very well,.....even if it does cost more.
Daily driver?.....the Cayman is just so much more fun IMO.
I like Corvettes,.....but small, light and agile?.....not even close to a Cayman.
Funny how "feel" differs from physical reality. The C6 is within three inches of length and 100lbs of a Cayman S, depending on options. It's also interesting that the C6 handling is so universally considered inferior to the CS's, yet the C6 chassis architecture is arguably superior, and the measured stats are so close. (Struts versus completely adjustable 4-wheel SLA, optionally with MR shocks.) It just goes to support the notion that execution is more important than theory.
Putting a CS side-by-side with the C6 in my garage was a fascinating experience. The two cars are ostensibly in the same size range, but the C6 has much more enclosed volume. The C6 feels a lot bigger when you're sitting in it, though not so much when standing next to it. It's an optical illusion of sorts. View a C6 separately from a CS, and you instantly think the C6 is a lot bigger. Put them together and you get a somewhat different impression of sizes.
Quality of the exteriors, paint and panel fit, point towards the CS, but not by so much as one would expect. The only real gaff, IMO, on the vette is the soft, unsupported, plastic rear-end panel, which never meets the rear side panels quite right, a la the old Toyota Supra. The C6 rear feels cheap, and has rounded contours that clash with the sharp edges and straight seams on the rest of the car. The C6 wheels and brakes look a lot cheaper than those on the CS too. (This wouldn't be true on a Z06.)
The interiors are so different, of course, you can't compare them. I'm not going to miss the vette's interior much, but I do wish Porsche would take a lesson from GM on instrumentation. The water temp gauge is so accurate you can watch the action of the thermostat as the car warms up. There's a digital oil temp read-out. According to my GPS the speedo is dead-on accurate to at least 110mph, and it's big and easily readable. Oh well, you can't have everything. The rest of the C6 interior I will gladly leave behind.
--seems puny now) it stuck like glue and communicated clearly. The CS is that to the Nth degree.
