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I am very very interested in reading this. I have driven the three cars back to back and I will be lying if I say that the Cayman S was not a dissapointment (putting on my bullet proof vest now and ducking!). My take is that the Cayman S lacks the high end power and low end torque of the 911, but handles better (but lacks the traction of a 997). However it doesn't feel any better than the Boxster S in terms of handling and doesn't feel any faster. Sure the Boxster S flexes a little more, but I will be very surprise if the Cayman is much faster on the track than the Boxster S. I think the lower centre of gravity of the Boxster S makes it handle as well as the stiffer Cayman.
I can easily accept your conclusions Way, no need for armour protection! There is no way the Cayman was going to outpower the 997 which was clear just from the specifications. How we react tothe Cayman (or any other car)is based as much on our expectations as on the actual performance of the car. If Porsche had wanted the Cayman to be a 997 beater they would not have positioned the car in their lineup the way they did. If people were expecting by some magic the the Cayman would overshadow the 997 theywere bound to be disappointed. The choice between the BoxsterS and CaymanS should be dictated by whether or not you want a roadster or a coupe and whether you are willing and able to pay for more the coupe with a few more HP that may be worth less than the premium to the individual buyer. I have no problem with anyone who comes to the conclusion that the Cayman isn't the right choice and either the Boxster or 997 is preferable. I do have a problem with people who say that there is something wrong with the CaymanS or anyone who would prefer it to a BoxsterS or a 997.That's a different issue isn't it?
From memory (you can certainly check for accuracy), I believe Walter Rorhl's times at Nurburgring Nordschlief were:
1) Boxster S: 8:32
2) Cayman S: 8:11
3) 997: 8:15 (std, no PASM / SC, PCCB - Walter Rorhl driving)
4) C6 Corvette: 8:15 - mfg (Magnuson driving I believe). as a reference point.
I recall reading thatWalter actually turned 8:05 with PCCB / PASM / Sport Chrono, but again - probably just unofficial stuff. No matter how you slice it, 20 seconds is a pretty significant difference. That is roughly a 1/2 mile behind.
Paul
Edited by - Devo on 04/10/2006 06:41:22 AM
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Sport Chrono and Chrono Plus
This optional package is a valuable addition for trackday use. Available in conjunction with the CDR-24 CD radio, it includes a swivel-mounted analog and digital timer unit which is centrally located on the dashboard. All functions are easily accessible via the control stalk for the on-board computer. Analog dials measure hours, minutes and seconds, while a separate digital field displays whole seconds, tenths and one hundredths of a second. A second digital display runs in parallel in the instrument cluster. Click this Link to visit the FAQ entry for Sport Chrono.
What 997 lacks in balance it makes up with traction and power. I have tracked my Boxster S extensively and 997 so I know this well. I was set to change from the Boxster S to a Cayman S but am now not so sure. Yes I prefer hardtop but I just feel like I am wasting money losing tens of thousands (both Boxster S and Cayman S cost over US$100k here) by changing over the cars and not really gaining any performance. If I was starting from scratch I would no doubt have chosen a Cayman S.
Edited by - WAY on 04/10/2006 07:32:19 AM
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Let me offer this suggestion - the 3.2L engine in the Boxster S is close to being tapped out, at least without adding the vario cam plus cams or some other more significant (expensive $$) engine modifications. The 3.4L engine in the Cayman, as recent dyno tests have shown, has a lot more potential left in it and with a few simple mods more power can be had. If all the Cayman S lacks in your opinion is power, I think power is something that can more easily be had in the Cayman S vs. the Boxster S. Keep in mind the 2005+ Boxster S has shorter gearing than the Cayman S in 1st and 2nd which helps its 0-60 time vis-a-vis the Cayman S. Swapping out 1st and 2nd gears in the Cayman would also produce some noticeable results getting away from the line. That may be a bit more expensive to do, but again, the potential is there in the Cayman S, I don't see a lot more potential left in the Boxster S platform without some very serious changes.
A seldom discussed point for those interested in DE use is that more & more venues/clubs are prohibiting open top cars from the track. At least in this area, the BMW & Audi clubs ban roadsters. Our local PCA Region allows Boxsters in the Novice/Intermediate groups, but above that they must pass a 'broomstick test' with a helmeted driver, which is unlikely. Some tracks don't allow roadsters. That seems to be the clear trend in the US.
A desire to continue to enjoy my track hobby/obsession would have precluded my consideration of a Boxster, even if I liked open top motoring.
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