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Many here have said that the mid-engine platform of the Boxster / Cayman is clearly superior to the rear-engine layout of the 911 and that Porsche is purposefully limiting the Cayman to protect 911 sales. That all makes sense to me but then I have a prediction.
Aftermarket shops (RUF, 9ff, etc) have no reason to protect the 911, they don't have to protect Porsche's profits. Then if the base assumption is true then the Cayman offerings from these shops should tend to be better than their own comparable 911 offerings. We should be able to wait and see if this holds out to be true.
I just wanted to toss that idea out there and see whether others agreed or whether you believe that other factors will keep the modded 911s outperforming modded Caymans.
I thinkeveryone in the know agrees if you put the same motor in a 987 and 997 that the 987 will be faster. As a consumer I like the balance and warranty of a factory car from Porsche and am not interested in doing a major aftermarket engine mod or engine swap. I am very satisfied with my Cayman S and will keep it until Porsche builds a significantly more powerful version. While I believe that aftermarket shops will make a faster Cayman first, I still want a factory car.
I thinkeveryone in the know agrees if you put the same motor in a 987 and 997 that the 987 will be faster. As a consumer I like the balance and warranty of a factory car from Porsche and am not interested in doing a major aftermarket engine mod or engine swap. I am very satisfied with my Cayman S and will keep it until Porsche builds a significantly more powerful version. While I believe that aftermarket shops will make a faster Cayman first, I still want a factory car.
The mid engine config will out perform every time. Porsche has never won Leman outright in anything with a rear engine config (and they wont)
The GT3/GT2/996TT will always have the supperior designed 993/split case engines compared to the regular production cars with the wet sump engine. The 'tuners' will be somewhat limited with this newer engine design. The jury is still out on how far you can go with the new engines. Basically the tuners are increasing the bore and making slight cam changes (like X51 exhaust cams in 996/997 engines) None of them have received full race treatment and 8k+ rpm testing (as far as I know..and I'm very well connected)
The X51 engine in the CaymanS is about as factory as you are going to get. New crate engine plugs right in with one mode done to one power steering line and a intake hose change.
With Audi/BMW and the like sniffing about and the threat of 'Fast Japs' i say that by this time next year the Cayman S will make 325 BHP. I suspect we see a 'Clubsport', but i wonder about an RS in 2008?..........2.7 block but with a VGT Turbo?......................375 BHP plus LSD,DSG, Big wings etc...................Oh Please!
Mike/Liverpool
LSD - Limited Slip Differential
A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
To see the installation of a LSD style unit Click Here -> Article Forthcoming Stay Tuned
Is it just me? or is nobody answering the original question?
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No, I was also thinking the same.
Let me give examples, all three of the 997 Turbo, RUF RTurbo and RUF R12 quote 0-100km/hr times of 3.7 sec while the best Cayman I have seen is the 9ff at 4.4sec.
Okay so these aren't the best measure, back to back lap times by the same driver are probablly the best test (depending on the driver and track).
When will we see a 3.7 sec Cayman? Or would you already rather take a 4.4sec 9ff Cayman than a 3.7 sec rear-engine Carrera?
There is a huge HP difference between those 3.7 sec modified turbo 911's and the naturally aspirated Caymans, also a huge price difference. You are going to have to wait until someone puts a twin turbo in a Cayman if you want to see those numbers or a good supercharger (haven't seen numbers on the supercharger Caymans yet).
A better comparison might be a 3.4L Supercharged 996 vs. a 3.4L Supercharged Cayman. I can guarantee you the Cayman will be faster.
Actually, lap times of around 7:40 on the Ring for the 997 TT and the 997 GT3 are about 30 seconds faster than the 8:11 for the Cayman S, so we still have a ways to go to get to 911 level performance. It would be great if we could get a Ring time for the 9ff Cayman. It'd be kind of tough to get an apples-to-apples comparison unless Walter Rohl also drives the 9ff Cayman, since he probably knows the Ring as well as anyone.
I suspect (postulate?) that the Farnbacher Loles GTR when it gets arace readylighter weight, will suprise, or even wake up, a 997 GT3.
Now that would make a video I would even pay money for. [img]/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/MWPX/teeth_smile.gif[/img]
Edited by - Coupe-de-Gras on 06/14/2006 7:35:05 PM
LSD - Limited Slip Differential
A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
To see the installation of a LSD style unit Click Here -> Article Forthcoming Stay Tuned
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This is an interesting thread. You have to wonder what will happen when RUF / 9ff Caymans go flying past RUF / 9ff 911's. Giving Walter Rorhl a mid-engine platform to work his magic and equivalent HP and the physics are just against the 911's from there.
It's going to happen, it is just a matter of time. Response from Zuffenhausen? Hmm, that is very difficult to say, IF, they even pay attention to such 'mundane matters'....who knows?
