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I am running with couple GT3 in my area. The CS is lacking HP, LSD and adjustable suspensions. I am wondering how I could catch up with them in autox or does it matter?
I know driving skills is paramount but there is no way a CS could compete with GT3 and Elise in the same class assuming same driver.
LSD - Limited Slip Differential
A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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I tend to think my CS can keep up with an Elise in AutoX...of course there are always different drivers. I have yet to face off against one, but the day is coming..I feel.
A GT3....well thats a different story. Anyone here squared off against these two cars on course?
Yeah, I have. SuperStock is a bit course dependent. Folks still think the C5 Z06 has a chance on the right course, but the only thing that's been proven is that an Elise and a GT3 can win big events with great drivers behind the wheel. An Elise won Nationals driven by Matthew Braun last year over Gary Thomason's GT3. Both are EXCELLENT drivers, some of the best in the country, particularly at autocross.
The CS has no real shot against any of the three given equal prep and equal driving, I'm afraid. What my car did, unfortunately, was not only prove that, but also prove that it is faster than AS cars. Since AS is a healthy happy class with great diversity (STi's, S2000's, 993's, and possibly the Solstice GXP all have a shot), nobody wanted to take a chance at hurting it with a $56k overdog.
So until there's a class in between AS and SS, there's no good place for a 987S to play. If you're an SCCA member and want to see that changed, send your letter now to seb@scca.com with your member number and why you think there should be a better place for the 987S to play. The more *data* you can show the better (ie. you know X number of people who would join the SCCA, break down how a GT3 is really pretty much just a better Cayman in every way, etc).
I am an SEB member, but none of what I say in public forums is official yada yada.
As an FYI a CS CAN beat a GT3 but only in a tight course and only in one with a healthy amount of slaloms. If there are some straights where HP takes over you are doomed. I saw the course at Heartland Park set up last year and there was no way my CS could beat a GT3 or Z06 on that course, not enough tight turns, not enough slalom, too much straightaway. I don't know how SCCA determines how to set up its autox courses but theones our local PCA chapter sets up are tighter courses with more slaloms and the CS reigns supreme on those. I imagine an Elise would do quite well too.
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tires...what tires are you/your competition running??? i think the GT3 comes with sport cups, so if you arent on r-comps already, that will make up some time there...
our track here is tight, so a CS would do pretty well...
I'm sorry to argue, but there is no SCCA legal autocross course that similarly prepped AND similarly driven CS's will beat GT3's. I'm talking the same r-comps on both, top drivers, etc. Sure, you could outdrive someone else in a GT3 and beat him...driving makes a LOT more difference in autocross than most people want to believe. But I'd bet a LOT of money that if you go design the tightest most slalom intensive course that the SCCA rulebook would allow (there are minimums in there) and then take two equal LEVEL prepped cars, a CS and a GT3 (by LEVEL I mean max what you can max...the GT3 can get bigger tires under it and such, which matters) and then let any top national driver (Ian Stewart, Matthew Braun, Gary Thomason, etc) drive both cars multiple times on the same course, the GT3 will win every time. Period, end of story.
Yes, the CS will slalom *really* close to the GT3, but I don't see it beating it. So it'll be a closer race on such a course, but it still won't win. The Elise, however, would beat both of them.
Or, as Donnie said, tell SCCA what you think of their classing. Past experience makes me skeptical that will do much good either, but can't hurt to try.
Maury
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Or, as Donnie said, tell SCCA what you think of their classing. Past experience makes me skeptical that will do much good either, but can't hurt to try.
If you check the latest Fastrack, you'll see a proposal that does good things on the Street Prepared end of the world for Porsches. There is room for more change, and that's why I'm encouraging people to write in. Note that I am an SEB member (of which there are only nine), but what I say here does not speak for the SEB and is unofficial. But the only way to change things is to write in with good honest proposals that include data.
There are a lot of factors in magazine tests. One is tires and temperatures. I'm talking about maxed out setups for Super Stock legal SCCA competition, not off-the-lot performance. It could also depend on what options the C&D cars had as well as what drivers they used and all of that. I don't think you can trust magazine numbers very much, personally.
Look at the weight distribution of the two cars. It isn't *that* far off. Then look at weight itself, amount of tire you can get on each one, etc, etc. Once you crunch all the numbers, the CS just isn't going to beat a 996GT3 at very much, if anything. Then there's what I've seen having done some 125 autocrosses in five years...
I wish the Cayman S could hang with a GT3. I probably wouldn't have needed to send mine to FL if it did. Now mine should crush any stock GT3 out there (997's included). But I had to about double the price. *grumble*
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