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Old 10-25-2007, 02:16 PM
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:59 PM
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I just checked and ASP allows camber plates but not after market control arms- which fulfill exactly the same purpose. SCCA logic...
So other than for classing, what are the pros and cons of using control arms vs. camber plates to get more negative camber?
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:14 PM
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I think we would max out at -1.7 or -2.0 with camber plates. Of course lots of cars get more than that in stock form- or with crash bolts.
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Old 10-25-2007, 08:28 PM
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Looks like SM2 is for me, since it allows everything and is just one step above ASP in pax factors (a difference of .004)!
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:59 PM
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Well, I'm not sad so much as I am sympathetic. It's a shame there isn't a sane way to make a place where every car with every type mod can have a competitive place to play. *sigh* It's an even bigger shame when a car like yours (a good car for this purpose, not unobtanium, and not insanely modded up) has to go play against SM2 or XP competition.

I'll also point out that if you think an allowance should be made for front LCAs in SP, send a letter to seb@scca.com with what you want and why. It may not happen, but it can't if you don't ask for it. The classes do grow and evolve, though not always as fast as people would like. Also note that the SEB will recently publish they are looking for members for various advisory committees (like the Street Prepared committee, which is where the SEB takes its recommendations from on what to change). You can send in a resume if you'd like to participate (there's no physical requirement to be present anywhere...everything is done by conference calls every other month and on a private forum).

Sometimes people think a certain marque is unfairly "picked on" by obvious problems in classing. In reality it *could* be that there were no folks with intimate knowledge of that marque in a position of persuasion and thus a small amount of fear of what the car *might* do caused it to be classed somewhat improperly based on reality. How do you change that? Get people *with* knowledge of those marques on the various committees.

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Old 10-26-2007, 01:37 AM
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Well, I'm not sad so much as I am sympathetic. It's a shame there isn't a sane way to make a place where every car with every type mod can have a competitive place to play. *sigh* It's an even bigger shame when a car like yours (a good car for this purpose, not unobtanium, and not insanely modded up) has to go play against SM2 or XP competition.

I'll also point out that if you think an allowance should be made for front LCAs in SP, send a letter to seb@scca.com with what you want and why. It may not happen, but it can't if you don't ask for it. The classes do grow and evolve, though not always as fast as people would like. Also note that the SEB will recently publish they are looking for members for various advisory committees (like the Street Prepared committee, which is where the SEB takes its recommendations from on what to change). You can send in a resume if you'd like to participate (there's no physical requirement to be present anywhere...everything is done by conference calls every other month and on a private forum).

Sometimes people think a certain marque is unfairly "picked on" by obvious problems in classing. In reality it *could* be that there were no folks with intimate knowledge of that marque in a position of persuasion and thus a small amount of fear of what the car *might* do caused it to be classed somewhat improperly based on reality. How do you change that? Get people *with* knowledge of those marques on the various committees.

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Thanks. I'll shoot an email, but won't cry if it doesn't amount to anything.

Say- why isn't the Cayman S mentioned in any prepared class list?
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:12 AM
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Say- why isn't the Cayman S mentioned in any prepared class list?
Probably because nobody has asked for it to be. You should send another letter asking for that. I think it obviously should go in FP and I don't think anyone would even look at you funny if you raced one there right now given the 911's being there.


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Old 10-26-2007, 02:34 AM
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Ooh, dang, nevermind on that letter. The Boxster and Cayman are already added to FP in the 2008 rulebook (not out yet, but they'll be there when it is).


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Old 10-27-2007, 02:15 AM
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Ooh, dang, nevermind on that letter. The Boxster and Cayman are already added to FP in the 2008 rulebook (not out yet, but they'll be there when it is).


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Along with BSP if I read it correctly... now this might be an interesting class for the CS... especially if the AWD cars were reclassed

Donnie- can you confirm the BSP classing for Cayman S?

EDIT: OK - I just reread Aug-Nov Fasttracks and see nothing, but I could have swore there was a 1/1/08 recommendation to move ALL Boxsters and Caymans from ASP to BSP...
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:46 AM
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Donnie- can you confirm the BSP classing for Cayman S?
There was a proposal and the result will be announced in the next few weeks. I can't really say more than that.


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Old 11-07-2007, 02:29 AM
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Donnie,

Some of us emailed the SEB a few months ago, as you suggested, about the possibility of reclassifying the Cayman S from SS, where it is certainly not competitive with the GT3, etc.

Any possibility of that occurring? Or are modifications into another class, as in this thread, the only way?

Does the SEB ever respond directly to these letters or emails to confirm receipt?

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Old 11-07-2007, 03:36 AM
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:11 PM
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