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Because the GT3 is the GT3 It is a completely different animal.
The Cayman is a 997S slayer by virtue of its handling and potential. If it can do that it is worth it.
But the GT3/RS/Cup car are in a different league inspite of HPDE.
If I could get a GT3 I would. But right now I plan to chase them as hard as I can. If I can keep them in my sights "great" and if I can give the 997S a run for its money I think the Cayman was worth it.
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Originally Posted by Fort Felker
That makes me very sad. You are a pioneer. Rather than buy a GT3, why not beat 'em with a better handling car?
Fort,
I am not abandoning the Cayman. I plan to keep my Cayman's for a long time. But at some point I need something different. I'll street the GT3 with a while.
Also, when you compare the Cayman track performance to other cars, you do have to consider the track.
The Cayman is ideal on a flatter track with lots of high speed turns and short straights.
But because of HP the Cayman looses ground to HP cars on uphill sections and long straights. Also in tight corners the speed differential is too low to to gain enough ground.
My home track (Motor Sport Ranch) is a technical track with 3 high speed sweepers and the Cayman is a tougher match for much higher HP cars like the GT3 and Z06. On our longest straight I am at 113mph at the brake point and a GT2 is at 125mph. But the next sweeper has an uphill section before it an I can only reach 93 before I turn in (with no braking) while the GT2 is at 112 but has to brake to 86 for turn in.
Each car has strengths. To be good with the Cayman you have to figure out where you can exploit those strengths. I get a lot of fun comments from other drivers that discover my car is a lot faster in the corners.
fort.
I love to be able to tell the guys I beat that its a stock engine. It is also better to learn to drive and use corner momentum than to just make up for bad driving habits with HP.
Maybe I will mod the engine someday. But focusing on cornering is a lot more rewarding in my opnion.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
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Fair enough. It sounds like you're having a great time, and that's all that really matters. But if your goal someday changes to beating the well-driven 997 GT3's, you'll eventually need more power. I watched a race where a moderately modded Cayman S and a 997 GT3 were running. Both were expertly driven - "mooty" was in the GT3, and "bob" was in the CS. The CS really didn't have any chance at all at Thunderhill - the GT3 was several seconds faster per lap.
equal driver, the GT3 will be faster, stock to stock.
but one car is lot more money than the other.
not a fair comparison.
that said, bob and i both feel cayman s is one hell of a great car. it has some sort comings, so does any car, but it is a very good track/street car.
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Trouble with me is that I'm hooked. I bought my Cayman without PASM or Sport Chron, not even considering I would ever track my car. Why I went to my first DE event is lost in history (or my senior moments), but once at a DE I became an addict. First it was a new exhaust, then PSS9s to make it handle better, then GT3 lower control arms - more negative camber for my new slicks. And, YES I'm going very fast now, and it's more fun than ever passing every 997S, some Turbos and most Corvettes. Then came the white smoke, eating a quart of oil every track event, and I have to ratchet it up to aonther level by installing a Porsche Sport Oil Separator. To do this I will probably remove the air injector (only used to heat the cats before they reach operating temperture anyway).
Sir, can I borrow a dime ... you see I've become hooked on this new narcotic ... there is no end. But boy am I having fun!!! What a way to go.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
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MotorSport VOS, Mantis sump extension, Quaife TBD, GT3 lower control arms, PSS9s, Tarett sway bars, Softronic race plenum, Capristo exhaust, Hayden TransSaver Plus OC-1676 on power steering return line.
Couple random thoughts from the guy who owns probably the single most modded yet street legal Cayman around...
First, can someone point me to the thread on Rennlist that started all this? I can't seem to find it. *sigh*
Past that, the ABS in the Cayman is inferior to that of the 911. I'm not sure exactly what is involved, but Farnbacher-Loles can upgrade your Cayman to 911 ABS. I know it's software as well as the ABS module in the front of the car. Not sure on cost. My car brakes much better after the upgrade.
The suspension on the Cayman has some annoying design traits, the worst of which is rear bump steer. I'm still working on getting it all gone, but some Cup car suspension bits in the rear help, and some more tuning and minor fab should get it all gone. Again, talk to Farnbacher if interested.
The Moton Clubsports with monoball hats are the bomb, IMHO. Stock shocks are pretty good, though, so I'd do other things first if on a budget.
The only carbon fiber hood on the market is heavier than the aluminum one. The carbon fiber rear decklid along with lexan is WAY lighter than the stock rear decklid, though. Well worth the money if you're on a weight loss plan, IMHO.
295's are all the tire you can stuff in the back and not rub constantly. I wish someone who's done some of the body kits in the pictures posted in this thread were offering a wide rear kit. I just can't bring myself to hack the rear of the car. Yet.
The X51 motor is nice, but I'm investigating options with Farnbacher to get more power. Big fear is how much the transmission can handle since there aren't any good options for a beefier transmission that I know of that's still streetable.
Farnacher has a PIWIS and can help with programming issues if you need them. It's been used for a lot of stuff on my car, including disabling the seat belt chime since I also have harnesses and rollbar.
Farnbacher has gone through a lot of Cayman development (mostly with me), so folks looking for help correcting some of the Cayman deficiencies on track should contact them. They can help.
--Donnie
PIWIS - Porsche Integrated Workshop Information System
Porsche Integrated Workshop Information System (diagnostic tester) This device is used to test various aspects of your Cayman's computer and electronic systems. These units cost over $12,000 to purchase and are connected to Porsche via a wireless connection at the dealership so that your Cayman's information can be sent to Porsche whenever your car is attached for diagnosis. The PIWIS device has the ability to control almost any system in your car provided that your car has the appropriate control units and programming installed. Your dealership may not perform some activities such as disabling safety equipment.
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Any members that want a track Cayman can also come and see me at Daniel Jacobs in Oxford CT. I have been the person that has made and set all of the tuning and suspension mods described that are used as Porsche standards. This would included CAN line changes, 997 braking set for mid engine, PSM delete,PASM delete, factory suspension mods etc.
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
PSM - Porsche Stability Management
While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility.
PCA - Porsche Club Of America
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Because the GT3 is the GT3 
It is a completely different animal.
You are a pioneer. Rather than buy a GT3, why not beat 'em with a better handling car?
