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I'm off to the Nurburgring this weekend for the first time, and am after some advice from experienced ringers.
Apart from the obvious question of what advice you have for a Nurburgring newbie, I wondered if the track is too bumpy for PASM in sports mode ....I've been doing a bit of research and reading guides/watching video and it seems that certain sections of the track can cause cars with hard suspension to jump around a bit. Would I be better off with PASM in normal mode ...... or is this the least of my worries after all, I have no intention of driving hard around a track I don't know well....
Any PASM advice and general Nurburgring advice welcome!
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
I don't have any personal experience with the Nurburgring, but I recall that Walter Rohrl (the Porsche factor test driver) has said that PASM (presumably in sport mode) and 19" wheels were required to get his fastest time in the Cayman S at the Ring (8:11).
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
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Guessing that you're not going to try and beat Rohrl's time just drive like a (fast) road you don't know and choose the setting more enjoyable to you. Either way it won't make a difference time wise 'cause you won't be doing flying laps. Some virtual laps on the PS/GT4 help to get a glimpse of the track layout.
When are you going? I'm planning also to go to the Ring sometime in July
Last edited by lusocayman; 05-13-2008 at 05:37 PM.
Rohrl mentioned that PASM set in comfort/normal mode is best for the Nuburgring. It is mentioned that a PASM equipped car would lap the ring faster, and that's probably true, but it does not follow that PASM Equipped necessitates sports mode. PASM in normal mode is adaptative but to a softer map, so I guess Rorhl used Normal in order to achieve consistency in his lordship's statements.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
I recall that Walter Rohrl (the Porsche factor test driver) has said that PASM (presumably in sport mode) and 19" wheels were required to get his fastest time in the Cayman S at the Ring (8:11).
I never knew how hard it was to get the times Rohrl had set in each of the Porsche cars. I have a 360 and avidly play Forza 2 Motorsports. I pretty much know the ring like the back of my hand, just from driving around it 30-40 times. The thing that gets me though is that in REAL LIFE, he set a 7:33ish with a bone stock Carrera GT. I decided to try and attempt to beat this record, seeing that if I crashed, I wouldn't die like the real thing so I pretty much drove my CGT as hard and 'balls out' as I could. Now I can easily show up the A.I. opponents on the max difficulty and come 1st place on every race throughout the game, and have become a very good/ highly experienced driver. With all that being said, my best time was only a 7:55!!! Where the hell did he get those 17 seconds, while still driving in a state of mortal consciousness!!! After upgrading the CGT to it's full potential, could I then pull off a 7:25. I thought that it would be easy to set immaculate lap times in racing games since you can literally push the car to its limits and not have to worry about any consequences that are always apparent in the real world. This is not the case, but I do understand that the game isn't 100% life like, and is probably given the advantage in the artificial physics dept.... Maybe he's the stig
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Last edited by golfguy11800; 05-14-2008 at 04:38 AM.
You have to be aware that although these modern games are great, they are not real life. Top Gear proved that with their Gran Turismo NSX comparison at Laguna Seca versus the PS2 game. The game is pretty accurate, but not completely accurate.
Bottom line, you are the Stig and would probably embareass Rohrl if you were in a car on the ring.
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I never knew how hard it was to get the times Rohrl had set in each of the Porsche cars. I have a 360 and avidly play Forza 2 Motorsports. I pretty much know the ring like the back of my hand, just from driving around it 30-40 times. The thing that gets me though is that in REAL LIFE, he set a 7:33ish with a bone stock Carrera GT. I decided to try and attempt to beat this record, seeing that if I crashed, I wouldn't die like the real thing so I pretty much drove my CGT as hard and 'balls out' as I could. Now I can easily show up the A.I. opponents on the max difficulty and come 1st place on every race throughout the game, and have become a very good/ highly experienced driver. With all that being said, my best time was only a 7:55!!! Where the hell did he get those 17 seconds, while still driving in a state of mortal consciousness!!! After upgrading the CGT to it's full potential, could I then pull off a 7:25. I thought that it would be easy to set immaculate lap times in racing games since you can literally push the car to its limits and not have to worry about any consequences that are always apparent in the real world. This is not the case, but I do understand that the game isn't 100% life like, and is probably given the advantage in the artificial physics dept.... Maybe he's the stig
The big difference would be the elevation changes. Somehow I doubt the video game can really capture that. Thats how it was when I tried to play Road America on the Xbox before I got there. It was worthwhile doing it and very helpful but the game didnt even touch the sense of how a road clims up or down as it does in real life.
You have to be aware that although these modern games are great, they are not real life. Top Gear proved that with their Gran Turismo NSX comparison at Laguna Seca versus the PS2 game. The game is pretty accurate, but not completely accurate.
I disagree.
I was within 3 seconds of my live versus PS2 times on both Infineon AND Laguna Seca on my first and second DE days...ever.
The key? You can play it like a game or you can use it like a simulator. I have a driving cockpit with wheel and pedals. I set the Ruf 3400S to 245 HP (I had a 2.7 at the time) and I put on street tires. Drove like I wanted to make sure I didn't "wreck my car".
On shorter tracks, you can "play" and get great times.
That, and Jeremy Clarkman is an idiot.
(name intentionally "not-remembered" as an insult....LOL)
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after all, I have no intention of driving hard around a track I don't know well....
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