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Old 12-10-2006, 10:30 PM
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Thunderhill track - WET/DRY videos

Dec 9/06 was one of those rare days with both wet and (mostly) dry conditions. I'll post vids of each. In the wet the CS handles well but gets squirrelly around turns 5a and 12 (esp. when u touch the wet burm!). I kept the PSM on throughout and u can see the light flickered a lot. Just glad I stayed away from the wall...
Times were 2:43 in the wet and 2:20 in dry.
Thanks to HOD and David Ray and Dev for another great track event!


Wet conditions video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCXqGwV8JE

Dry conditions video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPM_xST48TQ


p.s. thanks to sleepless for posting his Thunderhill video. It's clear that I'm entering most corners way too late and not carrying as much speed through the corners (esp turn 8) as possible.

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Old 12-10-2006, 10:58 PM
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We'll put up some pics and videos from same event. My best video lap 2:26. My brother's was 2:16. I didn't video my last run of the day where I think I was faster. (of course) I had never been to Thunderhill so I ran in A group. My brother ran in B group.

The bone stock Cayman (no S) once again proved what an awesome car it is. Even in the hands of a novice (me)

Interesting stat: We got 131 miles to a tank of 50/50 91/101 octane fuel on the track. Then refueled and ran two more sessions.

Also, we looked at the speedo in my brother's videos and saw terminal speeds of over 110 through turn 8 and 112 at the entry to turn 1 and 109 at the turn 13 entry.

He was running in 4th gear at these points where I was touching the redline in 3rd and backing off as I learned the course. That kept me under 100 to 105.



HOD is a great outfit, and Thunderhill is an awesome track. I had at least as much fun there as Laguna and Infineon.

Anyone in Northern California should check them out.

Caymans cRock!
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Here's a composite video of both of our best laps 2:16 and 2:26



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Dec 9/06 was one of those rare days with both wet and (mostly) dry conditions. I'll post vids of each. In the wet the CS handles well but gets squirrelly around turns 5a and 12 (esp. when u touch the wet burm!). I kept the PSM on throughout and u can see the light flickered a lot. Just glad I stayed away from the wall...
Times were 2:43 in the wet and 2:20 in dry.
I'm always a bit curious about relative comparative performance envelopes for different cars etc. From a quick web search for info on Thunderhill laps I find
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=3


"....So, what else did we learn in this 25-hour R&D session? Well, the roomier new MX-5 has a strong clutch and a great engine. The twincam 2.0-liter has a flexible powerband, and even though our car didn't have the header that's part of Mazdaspeed's MX-5 Cup prep package, it still produced 190 bhp, thanks to a cold-air intake and a cat-free exhaust. In full-race trim, with header, expect around 195 bhp.

That's pretty good for a car that weighs 2405 lb. and wears 225/45ZR-17 Hankook Ventus spec racing tires. Daniels, who will campaign six cars in the series, says a new Miata, properly tuned, is capable of a 2-minute, 2-second lap. The current Spec Miata record at Thunderhill (using the bypass), for the record, is around a 2:08......"

So, I guess we need a volunteer to get about 500# lbs out of his Cayman and head on back out on the track at Thunderhill to see how much this can be evened out. :-) http://www.caymanclub.net/images/smilies/burnout.gif
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I'm always a bit curious about relative comparative performance envelopes for different cars etc. From a quick web search for info on Thunderhill laps I find
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=3


"....So, what else did we learn in this 25-hour R&D session? Well, the roomier new MX-5 has a strong clutch and a great engine. The twincam 2.0-liter has a flexible powerband, and even though our car didn't have the header that's part of Mazdaspeed's MX-5 Cup prep package, it still produced 190 bhp, thanks to a cold-air intake and a cat-free exhaust. In full-race trim, with header, expect around 195 bhp.

That's pretty good for a car that weighs 2405 lb. and wears 225/45ZR-17 Hankook Ventus spec racing tires. Daniels, who will campaign six cars in the series, says a new Miata, properly tuned, is capable of a 2-minute, 2-second lap. The current Spec Miata record at Thunderhill (using the bypass), for the record, is around a 2:08......"

So, I guess we need a volunteer to get about 500# lbs out of his Cayman and head on back out on the track at Thunderhill to see how much this can be evened out. :-) http://www.caymanclub.net/images/smilies/burnout.gif
The above results were with a COMPLETELY stock Cayman. No S. No special tires. No suspension tweaks. First time on the track.

Not bad for a real, comfortable street car.
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Nice sideways action near the end of the Wet vid

It got a long way out of shape considering you didn't turn the PSM off. Just goes to show it's still possible to let the car get away from you if you're not careful.

Nice vids though. Well done, and Thanks.

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It got a long way out of shape considering you didn't turn the PSM off. Just goes to show it's still possible to let the car get away from you if you're not careful.
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Indeed, great catch on those slides! My brother and I both spent some time off-course that day. Clearly we need to work on car control.
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2:26 and 2:16 in a stock base Cayman is pretty damn sweet! the schumacher bros have some competition...
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2:26 and 2:16 in a stock base Cayman is pretty damn sweet! the schumacher bros have some competition...
Nice saves in your wet video.

I did the same thing in the turns before the bridge, but I panicked and lifted off throttle. It was all over after that. I spun off into the dirt.

Rookie mistake.
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Bob,
Thanks for the videos. Now I really want to get back out on the track ASAP!

Nice save coming out of turn 13. That's a nasty concrete wall you managed to miss!

Me, I've only run on one wet track (Laguna Seca this past February). It was pretty scary coming downhill into turn 9 with a river running thru it!

Hey, just one bit of advice if you run Thunderhill again. Stay in the middle of turn 2 longer to create a very late apex and you'll get through it faster... Sorry, it's my favorite turn there and couldn't keep my opinion to myself.

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