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Thank you for the post. You are correct that some cars seem to have it worse than others. Maybe driving styles, maybe something mechanically different in the AOS. As as example, CCC4321 and I have driven nearly the same event schedule, have the same suspension modifications, and run similar lap times and while my AOS failed his did not.
FWIW, I did not initially have the problem (for nearly a year) and then it came on gradually over the course of a few events, so it may be that the AOS fails progressively. While I was getting faster, I was also getting smoother so I am not sure I buy the argument of some that it is a driver-related issue.
I have personally witnessed this issue on multiple Caymans (06 and 07) in addition to multiple 986 Boxsters and 996 Carreras.
If Porsche does not fix this, they should get sued, no questions asked. If it was as simple as taking it to the dealer, then I would have had this thing fixed a long time ago. My smoke does not happen at the track alone, it happens on the street and I am using OEM PS/2's. I think a complaint to my Consumer Protection division would be a good start. Take some video footage to prove your case, then take it from there..
What, exactly, would you sue them for?
It's not doing damage to the engine, and I suspect law enforcement might have a thing to say if you're driving robustly enough on the street to cause it to happen on OEM tires.
Not trying to be an apologist here, just realistic.
Boxster owners have been living with this for a decade now.
It's not doing damage to the engine, and I suspect law enforcement might have a thing to say if you're driving robustly enough on the street to cause it to happen on OEM tires.
Not trying to be an apologist here, just realistic.
Boxster owners have been living with this for a decade now.
FYI, I can smell and partly see the burning oil at startup too during the summer. During the winter (lower temperature, causing condensation), when I start the car, my entire garage will fill up with smoke, it is really an absolute joke, did I also mention the oil smell? This is even with driving at 5-10 mph MAX over the speed limit during the previous drive. Maybe my circumstance is worse than others, but it still exists and is not being addressed, instead it is being labeled as normal.
I wrote on my customer satisfaction survey that an idiot designed the car, I guess that makes me an idiot for getting such a car? This issue is inexcusable for such a high end car. I also took it for the third time to get the trunk clunk fixed, and still no resolution.
Last edited by boobernackle; 08-26-2008 at 04:00 AM.
FYI, I can smell and partly see the burning oil at startup too during the summer. During the winter (lower temperature, causing condensation), when I start the car, my entire garage will fill up with smoke, it is really an absolute joke, did I also mention the oil smell? This is even with driving at 5-10 mph MAX over the speed limit during the previous drive. Maybe my circumstance is worse than others, but it still exists and is not being addressed, instead it is being labeled as normal.
I wrote on my customer satisfaction survey that an idiot designed the car, I guess that makes me an idiot for getting such a car? This issue is inexcusable for such a high end car. I also took it for the third time to get the trunk clunk fixed, and still no resolution.
What you describe is not normal, that sounds like a lot more smoke than "normal". Who is your dealership? You are in Potomac, MD right? What dealer do you get service at? Is there another you can take it to? I'd suggest telling them that you'll leave it overnight and come back the next day with another car and watch them fire it up cold in the morning and see how much smoke there is. Then they should be able to tell you whether what you are seeing is truly normal or not and you are there to witness it. You can ask for a leak down test, see if you are getting too much blowby, etc. If you aren't troubleshooting this with your dealer you should be.
I have taken it in to HBL in Tysons, they are fairly good at what they do, and I have been using them for years, for example when I had my MB before my CS.
I took it in, and have had numerous people tell me I have to get it looked at and the smell is a dead giveaway, but when I took it in to have it checked, they said it was "normal" and did not find anything unusual. I am trying to have them fix the trunk clunk, and after 3 times it is still not fixed. I am going to push for the lemon law, as I did with my Crossfire back in 2005 and was bough back.
I mentioned recording it on video to prove it to them, but they stated that would be of little use, but it should prove that the problem does exist.
Thankfully it is a lease, so I will be returning it in 2 years, I really wanted to let loose on this car and purchase it at lease end, but with so many things gone unresolved, I am not that confident about keeping it.
With winter around the corner, I can have them park it outside overnight and they will realize what I am talking about.
Well like I said, I would be there to see them fire it up the next day so they can witness the amount of smoke, and I think you SHOULD videotape it so you can show it to the regional Porsche service manager and/or send a copy of the video directly to PCNA and post a copy here for all of us to take a look at. That might either get your dealer to get moving on diagnosing the problem or admitting to one if there is one, or again you can take it to another dealer.
The MotorSports VOS does solve the problem. I have seen absolutely no smoke on the track or on startup (the usual smoke event for street use) after installation of the VOS. If only I could solve the wimpy power steering setup that Porsche uses which operates near the upper temperature limit on the track and melts the plastic seals (even with underdrive pulleys). Porsche refuses acknowledge this problem too and refuses to fix it under warranty (if you track). No, Porsche does not build cars like they used to ... They could if they wanted to ... and if cost were an object these fixes could be offered in a "sports package". I would not mind it if Porsche warranty never covered track use if only their cars would hold up better under aggressive driving.
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The MotorSports VOS does solve the problem. I have seen absolutely no smoke on the track or on startup (the usual smoke event for street use) after installation of the VOS. If only I could solve the wimpy power steering setup that Porsche uses which operates near the upper temperature limit on the track and melts the plastic seals (even with underdrive pulleys). Porsche refuses acknowledge this problem too and refuses to fix it under warranty (if you track). No, Porsche does not build cars like they used to ... They could if they wanted to ... and if cost were an object these fixes could be offered in a "sports package". I would not mind it if Porsche warranty never covered track use if only their cars would hold up better under aggressive driving.
Did you try installing a power steering cooler?
I installed one a while back and a porsche cayman center duct. It works very well.
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Fort, let's not get off track here, we don't know what caused him to get oil in his MAF sensor area and so far no one else has reported anything similar. I've had plenty of oil ingenstion but I've never had oil back at the MAF. He could be running an aftermarket air filter that was filled with air filter oil like a K&N or something similar. I'm not even sure how you would get oil back to the MAF since the ingestion point is beyond the throtttle body I don't see how oil is going to get back the throttle body backwards, then down the tube, then over to the MAF as it would be traveling completely against the incoming air the entire time and I just don't see that as being feasible.
For all of you who have installed the Motorsports VOS, what is it costing you to have it installed with all parts? Where would one be able to get this, dealer I suppose? Any warranty issues?
After changing out the stock plenum and TB, I left them inside the car overnight. Well, it turns out the next day that my interior stank like oil, running your finger through it was not nice either.
Plenum
The plenum is the piece that goes between the Cayman throttle body and the intake runners. The factory piece is a long black plastic tube with a divider down the middle. There are aftermarket replacements which are designed to allow the air to flow easier/faster into the engine and increase horsepower and torque.
For all of you who have installed the Motorsports VOS, what is it costing you to have it installed with all parts? Where would one be able to get this, dealer I suppose? Any warranty issues?
It is about a 10 hour job, a bit more or less depending on whether you modify or remove the air pump that interferes with the installation.
The cost will, of course, depends on the shop labor rate (10 hours @ ~ @110/hr) and what you pay for the part (~ $475).
I am sure a dealer could do it, but a Porsche race shop may be better suited for the work.
Where are you located? If you are in SoCal I suggest Vision Motorsports in Laguna Hills.
Warranty issues? I think that Porsche will cramp up on this modification, but I could be wrong.
