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I can't believe that Porsche with their superiour engineering could posssibly have missed this during the pilot testing of this car...... Don't they hammer their cars around the Ring, lap after lap? Surely Walter and the test engineers would have see this problem after they had stopped for lunch!
No, that is what GM does to Corvettes, just look at the driving in the new ZR1 video.
Porsches are too "delicate" to be abused, especially from the same people who made it.
In the late 60s an SCCA championship was won by a 911 race team that received no help from Porsche motorsports whatsoever. The stock 911 was entirely reworked by the team engineers. When confronted by this fact, Porsche told them that if they hadn't won, somebody else would have. The problem w/ oil ingestion is an inherent design fault that occurs regularly under known conditions. It does not affect enough cars frequently enough, nor its it so debilitating when it does occur (i.e. RMS leak or porous cases) that it forces Porsche to act (while never explaining/admitting/apologizing) . Porsche doesn't care about your smoking engine, on or off the track. It can be fixed just like the 911 chain tensioner, pop-off valve, case studs, flywheel, valve guides, and a whole plethora of minor to very serious problems that 911 owners have had to suck up since 1965. In fact the US 1977 911 engine was so plagued w/ big time oil leaks due to EGR temps and case stud failures it is considered the worst 911 flat six, ever, a 911 to be avoided. If the rules are too harsh, the game too difficult, the cost too high, don't play. That's Porsches philosophy. They haven't gone broke yet, have they?
Huh? I'm afraid in this instance you have no idea what you're talking about.
brad
If these cars really were abused or pushed hard enough while testing, don't you think Porsche would figure out things like the trunk clunk and the SMOKE?
Porsche just did not try hard enough on the Cayman/Boxster and overlooked some serious issues that do not take long to figure out.
I took my car in for service for the blue smoke, you know what my dealer told me? THIS IS NORMAL and there is NOTHING wrong with the car!
Trunk clunk, they installed the new kit, but guess what, the noise is still there. I took it back to fix it again, they mentioned that they cannot do anymore than what was already done.
How is a CS owner supposed to feel confident about such a car when significant problems that are very easy to uncover either become ignored or cannot be repaired when attempted?
My dealer is one of the best in the business and have been using them for several years, even before moving to a Porsche, so I cannot put the blame on them.
Last edited by boobernackle; 07-24-2008 at 05:49 PM.
If these cars really were abused or pushed hard enough while testing, don't you think Porsche would figure out things like the trunk clunk and the SMOKE?
Porsche just did not try hard enough on the Cayman/Boxster and overlooked some serious issues that do not take long to figure out.
I took my car in for service for the blue smoke, you know what my dealer told me? THIS IS NORMAL and there is NOTHING wrong with the car!
Trunk clunk, they installed the new kit, but guess what, the noise is still there. I took it back to fix it again, they mentioned that they cannot do anymore than what was already done.
How is a CS owner supposed to feel confident about such a car when significant problems that are very easy to uncover either become ignored or cannot be repaired when attempted?
My dealer is one of the best in the business and have been using them for several years, even before moving to a Porsche, so I cannot put the blame on them.
All this may be true, but it has little or nothing to do with your comment about Porsches being "too precious" to push hard in testing - which was the point of my post. Complain all you like about the things you don't like, but please don't post information you don't seem to know much about. By the way, they do test them very, very hard...
I don't think they overlooked the problems - they just didn't think it affected enough people in enough circumstances, as DaveC points out. Like all companies, they make choices, and they're good for some, not so good for others.
I'm sorry you don't seem to like your car - I suggest you read DaveC's post above, it explains the PAG mentailty quite well.
brad
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The cost is around $455 with about 10 hours of labor from the info I gathered from here. Look on page 12 for more info.
On a side note, I think you all are confusing the distinction between a tester pushing a car hard and actually "abusing" a car. It's not that I don't like my car, far from it, but just the way Porsche seems to brush off a lot of issues that need to be fixed with the car.
Finally, when you have problems like the trunk clunk that happens to so many of us, it makes you wonder how they pushed this car. The smoke issue can only be discovered by owners when pushing a car hard enough, which most of us won't do to our cars. If we all did, then the petition would probably be 3X longer.
Bottom line, if this car was pushed as hard as it should be, then clearly this problem would have been taken care of, along with other issues, from the start. I see this as a MAJOR problem, not a minor one and is too clear for "abuse" not to uncover.
Last edited by boobernackle; 07-24-2008 at 07:39 PM.
The cost is around $455 with about 10 hours of labor from the info I gathered from here. Look on page 12 for more info.
On a side note, I think you all are confusing the distinction between a tester pushing a car hard and actually "abusing" a car. It's not that I don't like my car, far from it, but just the way Porsche seems to brush off a lot of issues that need to be fixed with the car.
Finally, when you have problems like the trunk clunk that happens to so many of us, it makes you wonder how they pushed this car. The smoke issue can only be discovered by owners when pushing a car hard enough, which most of us won't do to our cars. If we all did, then the petition would probably be 3X longer.
Bottom line, if this car was pushed as hard as it should be, then clearly this problem would have been taken care of, along with other issues, from the start. I see this as a MAJOR problem, not a minor one and is too clear for "abuse" not to uncover.
As an Engineer I do not ever, abuse any car........
The Cayman is Advertised as a Performance Sports Car......... When it is used as such - it fails Miserably in Clouds of Blue Smoke..........
This was a Known 'Problem' (I hate the word Issue) in 2004 and was addressed by a Works Order in the event of complaint on Boxsters....
However this was not rectified when the Cayman was Launched.............
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It is an oil separation issue that happens in hard cornering. were you using R compound tires or have you had suspension work?
Many people have experienced the problem with a stock car on stock street tires on the street. This is not just an issue for modified and/or track cars.
This is definitely an issue with street cars, but mainly after restarting the car after some spirited driving/track session. Smoke while turning is usually with R-compound tires/modified suspension. Eitherway, this is a problem with the car, not with the user.
FYI: I brought my car to the dealership to complain that I'm smoking sometimes when restarting the car after some "spirited" driving. My service advisor, and shop foreman, both of them I know well, both said it's a known issue, but Porsche is not doing a recall at this time. Which means, unless my AOS(air oil separator) is BROKEN, they are not replacing it. Even if they replace it, it'd be with the OE part, not the AOS by Porsche Motorsport. They also mentioned that while the Porsche Motorsport AOS is not expensive, the install is a pain in the ***.
Just a reminder of what the owner's manual has to say about using slicks at events:
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The fitting of racing tires (e.g. slicks) for sporting events is not approved by Porsche. Very high cornering speeds can be achieved with racing tires. However, the resulting transverse acceleration values would jeopardize the adequate supply of oil to the engine. Porsche therefore will not accept any warranty or accept any liability for damage occurring as a result of non-compliance with this provision.
Wikipedia consideres R compound tires a form of "slick" tire; no idea if Porsche does or not.
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