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W/ S2000's, it's well known that lowering springs great diminish the useful life of OEM shocks, as they're not engineered to ride in the revised part of the stroke. Based on what I know, Porsche has a reasonable basis to deny warranty for your shock failure. If you want to lower your car, def. spring for coilovers!
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Everyone, please, please read the post before answering. If the shock started leaking, and basically wore out prematurely, it could be argued that this failure was caused by the springs.
But his shock fell apart, literally the support broke off, causing further wheel, tire suspension damage. This is something that really should not be caused by stiffer and lower springs.
I am 99% sure that Porsche will fix this on their dime, as our warranty laws in US seem to be on our side.
Keep us posted.
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Apologies for spelling mistakes, most of them are keyboarding errors. To enjoy this forum I run out of time to proof read.
... our warranty laws in US seem to be on our side.
Based on what experience? If you can find one case won in court based upon the MM Act where the part was an aftermarket performance part, please post. I've been trying to find a single case based on "performance" parts. There are some successful MM cases won but I don't remember them to be based on aftermarket performance parts.
It is a difficult one. As the OP suggests there are lots of similar modified cars without this problem but guess what there are significantly more cars that are un-modified where the part did not fail. The best approach is to ask Porsche and Champion to help and not to threaten with a premature accusing posting (as the title of this thread) on a popular web site. Let’s hope for the best when all the smoke clears. And again having the signed documentation authorizing the work will spell out what the various responsibilities are..
Agreed. I'm a big boy and understood the risks of installing the springs. I just don't feel they have come any where near proving the springs had anything to do with the failure. As you said it's a tough battle and in the end considering the relatively small dollar amount probably not worth my time. It will probably proclude me from purchasing another porsche in the future though.
A question: does your car have PASM? If so, do you know if the springs were linear or progressive springs? I've read in several places that using progressive springs with the PASM shocks will greatly reduce the life of the shocks, and that if you're going to change the springs with a PASM suspension, they definitely need to be linear springs.
brad
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
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Bambino Don mentioned in his earlier thread that the warranty for the WHOLE car would be void if you just changed the springs. Is is even likely and/or possible for them to do this?
I agree with you on this, I was also expecting a lot of moola from a car that costs over $65K, but at times when I drive the car, it just seems I may be driving an overpriced VW when I compare it to other cars. Maybe a possible Softronicplenum would change my mind, but I would hate to be in the same warranty mess as you are in now.
I will admit, that one reason I got the car was the "Porsche" name and the quality I had expected from it, but that enthusiasm has worn off. I am sure many on this forum will disagree with me, but better quality and service should be had from Porsche in your case, even before any mods on my car.
My Chrysler Crossfire was considered a lemon, and I got nothing but care from Chrysler through the whole process, and this is from an American company that tends to get a bad rap from the public in terms of service.
Just curious - what other cars make your Cayman seem like an overpriced VW?
Plenum
The plenum is the piece that goes between the Cayman throttle body and the intake runners. The factory piece is a long black plastic tube with a divider down the middle. There are aftermarket replacements which are designed to allow the air to flow easier/faster into the engine and increase horsepower and torque.
Softronic
SOFTRONIC produces DME programming and hardware to suit your companies specifications. Our current software suite is a complex matched set of programs housed in a Flash Manager and Flash Client. This software is matched with two cables, an End User and Master Cable. The SOFTRONIC proprietary flashing solution outperforms all other combinations in speed and accuracy including the factory Porsche equipment.
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I do not have pasm. As per champion these are the same springs porsche offers in other parts of the world from the factory btw.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Bambino Don mentioned in his earlier thread that the warranty for the WHOLE car would be void if you just changed the springs. Is is even likely and/or possible for them to do this?
Or is this just an exaggeration?
In the US, this is an exaggeration - might be different in the UK - they take warranty work on a "claims" basis - if they deny a claim for a problem with your suspension for instance, they cannot deny a claim or void the warranty on your motor or other parts of the car, if something should go wrong with it, and it's shown to be a manufacturing or other covered problem.
brad
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