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Old 08-07-2008, 05:45 PM
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Very, very interesting stuff.....

It took me forever to get comfortable with the way the Cayman shifts and the way the clutch feels...in fact I am still maybe not 100% comfortable with it.

To me it just felt like there was nowhere near enough feedback through the clutch pedal. My '90 911, while having a heavier feel to the pedal, gives me great feedback. I just assumed I needed to take some time to get comfortable with the Croc, but maybe its NOT all just me?

I am not big on mods, but may actually try this one. It is simple enough to do.

Note to Beez....another item to check for at the '09 Parade, along with De-snororking! ;-)

One more thing...does this interact with Sport Chrono? I normally do not use Sport Mode because I do not like the non-linear throttle tip in. From reading this thread, it almost seems like taping over the CDV switch will perhaps result in a nice hallway point between the way the car feels with SC off, and with it on.

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Old 08-07-2008, 05:56 PM
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Looking in one of the parts catalog the switch may be represented by figure 16 in the Section on Hand Controls and Pedals the PN is 997 613 109 00.

Two comments:
First, the picture of switch does not look like switch in photo (just an observation).

Second, the application is for model I480 (I480 = 6 speed) does anyone with a 5 speed have this same switch or is it a 6 speed only application? Being a 997 PN seems to imply that 911 model also uses this switch.

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Since this is an electric switch, how does it delay clutch? or effect engine RPM?

In BMW it is a hydraulic restriction (metering orifice) thus limiting release rate of slave cylinder - therfore clutch engagement rate.
I think it accomplishes the goal of a CDV by retarding the engine. So you can let clutch go as quickly as you want, but the engine won't be developing any power...so it does nothing to delay the clutch...it softens the blow to the drive line components by reining in the engine.

But I am speculating.
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Since I don't care for sticky tape much, I opted for the electrical bypass. A small piece of wire with the ends stripped, stuffed into the two sockets on the connector will do the trick.

Looks like this:

I hadn't driven a manual for many years before picking up my CS and although its always been very drivable, I've consistently felt a disconnect between myself and the clutch. I really want to give this a shot to see the difference, and even though I don't do many mods myself this one seems completely within my realm of difficulty.

For those of us who are less mechanically inclined (as in myself ), the pictures showing your electrical bypass there are 4 copper connectors, how can you determine which 2 to short out to disable to clutch delay?
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I wonder if this is a possible option for Scott at Softronic to implement. "Cluch delay bypass"
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For those of us who are less mechanically inclined (as in myself ), the pictures showing your electrical bypass there are 4 copper connectors, how can you determine which 2 to short out to disable to clutch delay?
Study the photo carefully. The connector orientation is determined by the pattern of lugs in the center of the connector. It will only go on 1 way, and that uniquely identifies the location of the jumper wires.
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Thanks for the pictures yancy. I think that I will try to insert the jumper wire from behind so that I can leave everything else connected as stock. That should prevent any rattling noises or unwanted attention from the dealer.
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Study the photo carefully. The connector orientation is determined by the pattern of lugs in the center of the connector. It will only go on 1 way, and that uniquely identifies the location of the jumper wires.

Thanks Fort, I see what you're saying now, can't wait to give this a try when I get home this evening .
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I think it accomplishes the goal of a CDV by retarding the engine. So you can let clutch go as quickly as you want, but the engine won't be developing any power...so it does nothing to delay the clutch...it softens the blow to the drive line components by reining in the engine.

But I am speculating.
This is what I surmise is happening too. In the Mazda MX5, this is precisely what is taking place and due to the exhaust note change (the "braaap" we've mentioned) I think it's pretty clear that Porsche is doing the same thing and retarding timing post shift for aprox. 1.7 seconds give or take. So the observation is correct by the other poster - the clutch isn't actually changed a bit when this switch is activated. Rather, the ECU reduces power momentarily after a shift to soften the blow.

Yancy, great pics! You beat me to it...was going to take pics of the cap from elmo installed but that's exactly what I would have shown.
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Yancy - you should turn your post into an article. It will be easy to do now that you've got the pictures.
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After reading this today I had to take a quick break from the office, make a jumper from some scrap wire, and go out to my CS for mod #???. Haven't had a chance to drive it yet but I did back it up and pull back into my space and even with that I could tell a difference in the clutch feel. Thanks Nexus-6.
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Wow, I wish I knew what you are all talking about. I don't feel this clutch delay issue in my '07 CS. Am I not sensitive enough? After reading all the comments it seems that this would be a good mod for autocrossing.
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I'm curious if the this switch has anything to do with a problem I have. I have to get out of a very steep fairly long driveway. With PSM off, if I launch the car smoothly at low RPM and start going up the hill (from a flatter start), I get no power with the gas floored, I mean I just barely creep up the hill. Some times I don't make it at all without stalling, sometimes I just make it. If I instead were to drop the clutch from a higher RPM things go much better. My SUV that has half the horsepower (though auto) has no problem like this, hard to believe this car does not have the juice to make it.

Now by the time I am 1/3 of the way up the hill I am