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Old 11-06-2006, 06:40 AM
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New Kreissieg Cat-back F1 VT Exhaust!

For those whom have never heard of them, they are extremely expensive, run $15k for a titanium version for some Ferarris. Anyway, they have a valve that is installed in the cabin, a quiet mode and a LOUD mode.

I've heard them on other cars and now looks like they have a Cayman version, checkout the videos on the link. Where cost is no issue...

http://www.eisenhaus.com/ehprice.php...36&Submit.y=13
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Old 11-06-2006, 07:06 AM
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$5568!!!!Ouch!!!

way too much for just Cat-back.
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Old 11-06-2006, 09:10 AM
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the sound is the best that i've heard so far.

but the price is the most expensive too.

i think it's a little overpriced even though it's a stainless steel.
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Old 11-06-2006, 12:59 PM
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does it wash your car for you?? lol
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Old 11-06-2006, 01:25 PM
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Sounds awesome.....!

With it's loud/quiet mode it reminds me of the PSE (Porsche Sport Exhaust) for $2,100.

I wish we could find someone who has PSE that's willing to Dyno the car in both modes and report back on sound and feel.
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Old 11-06-2006, 03:59 PM
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Nobody has the PSE yet. It should be available first of the year.
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I doubt that the PSE will offer any power improvements. It's just a lot of money for a lot of noise! But it is an official product so will not hurt your warranty.
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Old 11-06-2006, 05:57 PM
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Sounds good but too much money...
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[quote=evoke;80602But it is an official product so will not hurt your warranty.[/QUOTE]

NO aftermarket exhaust will do anything to the warranty, don't let any dealers tell you otherwise. It is called the Magnuson-Moss Act. There is only one way that they can legally void your warranty: They MUST PROVE that any modification of any existing factory installed part or the installation of any aftermarket replacement part was the direct cause of damage or system failure on the vehicle this rarely happens. Even if you are told that you have voided your warranty, they have to prove it.
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Flyer,

You are correct. My company makes electronics for cars so I am very familiar with the act and use it often to fight warranty denials. The dealership techs are never able to really put their money where their mouth is. But that doesn't mean they won't inconvenience the hell out of you trying.

I read posts in which changing to an aftermarket exhaust can trigger check engine lights because of the less effective cat converters. Do this, and though your dealership may not void your warranty, I'd be damn surprised if they will keep clearing that error code for free when they know it's caused by an aftermarket cat converter. Maybe once or twice. After that it's going to start costing you.

Also, when messing with the exhaust there are many other legalities that you are flirting with. From an EPA standpoint you are altering the noise control and emissions devices of the car.

I know everyone says that the PSE adds no power (because Porsche doesn't claim an increase). I find that hard to believe. If you took the best engineers Porsche has and asked them to make an exhaust system that's louder but adds no power, I think they would struggle. To achieve more sound you need to reduce aerodynamic resistance inside the system. It's hard to do this without gaining power at higher RPMs.

Why do you suppose these aftermarket cat back systems add power? Is it because the engineers in these little back town companies are more intelligent than those employed by Porsche? Or is it because they can deliver a system that is louder than the EPA mandates Porsche make theirs, and therefore can reduce that resistance which adds power?

If you look at the article that K-Man S posted on the exhaust system install, I can certainly see why the headers produce more power.

Many people who have the PSE on 997s, 996s, and Boxsters swear to god that they can feel an increase. Nay sayers say that it's all in their head because of the added sound. I say, slap it on a dyno and answer the question once and for all.....!
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NO aftermarket exhaust will do anything to the warranty, don't let any dealers tell you otherwise. It is called the Magnuson-Moss Act. There is only one way that they can legally void your warranty: They MUST PROVE that any modification of any existing factory installed part or the installation of any aftermarket replacement part was the direct cause of damage or system failure on the vehicle this rarely happens. Even if you are told that you have voided your warranty, they have to prove it.
Thx, that is good to know!
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