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Official Cayman Suspension Thread. (sponsored by AWE Tuning)
Caymanphiles-
I have seen some recent threads about the different suspension types and what is and is not available.
I just wanted to get a list together so we are all on the same page. We are warehouse distributors for H&R, Bilstein, and Moton. Hopefully the moderators will sticky this thread for future generations to see.
If you have specific questions, post them here! I will do my best to get up to the minute info. I hope this helps everyone.
All of these items are available from AWE Tuning. We are updating our site, so if you do not see what you are looking for, email me.
Sport Shocks Non-PASM (F4-VE3-C220-H0 and F4-VE3-C221-H0) **In Stock**
Sport Shocks PASM (F4-VA3-C213-H0 and F4-VE3-C214-H0) **Not Available as of 12/14/06**
Heavy Duty Non-PASM (F4-VE3-C218-H0 and F4-VE3-C219-H0) **In Stock**
Heavy Duty PASM (F4-VA3-C211-H0 and F4-VA3-C212-H0 **Not Available as of 12/14/06**
Coilovers Non-PASM (F4-GM5-C189-H0) Height and Dampening Adjustable
Coilovers PASM (F4-GA5-C204-H0) **These have yet to be released. AWE Tuning does have them on order and we are taking preorders. This is a height adjustable coilover kit that will work in conjunction with the OEM PASM. Porsche partnered with Bilstein to develop the OEM PASM suspension system. They have the most experience with the car. I will provide updates in this thread as I get them.**
Cubsport Coilover (M500 052)
Remote Cannister
Double Adjustable
7 Adjustment Levels for both rebound and compression
Able to use various spring rates
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
__________________
Regards,
Mike Romano
Sales Manager
Porsche - Bentley Specialist
A.W.E. Tuning
P 888.565.2257
F 215.658.1877 http://www.awe-tuning.com
Last edited by Mike/A.W.E.; 12-14-2006 at 06:30 PM.
Mike,
Just so you know I talked to the folks at Bilstein months ago about coming on board as a sponsor and testing the PSS9-PASM (Damptronic) on my car. They have one car in California with it on and items went back to Europe for more testing and they are supposed to be getting me something after the first of the year. You guys want me to drive up to your shop for the install?
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Mike,
Just so you know I talked to the folks at Bilstein months ago about coming on board as a sponsor and testing the PSS9-PASM (Damptronic) on my car. They have one car in California with it on and items went back to Europe for more testing and they are supposed to be getting me something after the first of the year. You guys want me to drive up to your shop for the install?
If you are not opposed to making the trip, we can work something out.
Maybe you can do a write up on our facility as well?
Also, is there anyway to sticky this thread for everyone to reference?
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
__________________
Regards,
Mike Romano
Sales Manager
Porsche - Bentley Specialist
A.W.E. Tuning
P 888.565.2257
F 215.658.1877 http://www.awe-tuning.com
Nice to see your taking the time to help everyone interested in suspension parts. I will kick this off. I decided i want to lower my cayman but i have a few questions. First i want to lower the car mainly for esthetic's purposes BUT i do not want to sacrifice ride quality. Second I have PASM and have read post from other members that just did springs and had PASM failure issues. That is the last thing i want to deal with. Third i don't race my car on a track but i drive it hard every day. Forth in now way do i want to damage any other suspension parts by taking the shortcut route. If you feel that in all honesty just doing springs will do no harm to my above concerns please let me know, but be honest and let me know if should do the complete coil overs instead. Thanks.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Nice to see your taking the time to help everyone interested in suspension parts. I will kick this off. I decided i want to lower my cayman but i have a few questions. First i want to lower the car mainly for esthetic's purposes BUT i do not want to sacrifice ride quality..
Ride quality is subjective. However, I will give you my impression of what an H&R sport spring does. This feedback comes from years of getting in and out of different cars with ALL different types of suspensions.
H&R does not publish springs rates, but they say their sport line is about 30% firmer than stock. The ride height is going to be slightly lower than a German spec. car. These springs are designed for street use and some very light track usage.
The ride "quality" in my eyes is improved. You will have a car that has a lower stance with less squat and lean. Is it overly firm? No, because it's not designed for track use. It is geared for higher speeds and more aggressive street use. H&R insists on maintaining a certain level of comfort.
If you were to take a trip to Germany and drive your Cayman at max speed on the Autobahn, you would understand my point. It would be just too soft for the sustained high speeds. However, if you went to Germany and drove a German spec car, the suspension will feel right at home. You will have more control and less float. This is what H&R is trying to mirror. I hope everyone understood that analogy.
Also, we urge that if you are going to change springs you change the shocks as well. Sport shocks (like those from Bilstein) are have compression and rebound valving that is designed to work with a lowered spring with a firmer rate than OEM. You OEM shocks were valved for what is on the car now. Not the best combination. Please keep this in mind.
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Originally Posted by NETHNGBTSTK
Second I have PASM and have read post from other members that just did springs and had PASM failure issues.
Can you point me to some links? We have yet to install any, but my sources say there are no problems.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NETHNGBTSTK
That is the last thing i want to deal with. Third i don't race my car on a track but i drive it hard every day. Forth in now way do i want to damage any other suspension parts by taking the shortcut route. If you feel that in all honesty just doing springs will do no harm to my above concerns please let me know, but be honest and let me know if should do the complete coil overs instead. Thanks.
All I urge is that you consider doing the shocks as well. To me not doing shocks is what will alter ride quality. You are using a shock that is not valved for the added spring rate. The car will have a tendency to pogo down the road. There will be less spring control
A sport shock will have the ability to control the oscillation of a heavier spring. More control equal better ride quality.
I hope this has helped you along with all of the others. Please let me know if you have further questions, or I was not clear enough with my response.
Thanks for reading.
__________________
Regards,
Mike Romano
Sales Manager
Porsche - Bentley Specialist
A.W.E. Tuning
P 888.565.2257
F 215.658.1877 http://www.awe-tuning.com
Another way to look at what Mike described so well is that if you lower the car at all you must increase the stiffness of the springs to compensate for the loss in suspension travel. This loss in travel is also another reason to consider different shocks with shorter bodies. Not only are they valved more appropriately to control the spring's movement, they are working in the center of their compression range and not at one extreme end while consistently compressed as a OE shock might be with shorter springs.
This loss in travel is also another reason to consider different shocks with shorter bodies. Not only are they valved more appropriately to control the spring's movement, they are working in the center of their compression range and not at one extreme end while consistently compressed as a OE shock might be with shorter springs.
dw
Another good point I forgot to mention. Thanks, Dave!
__________________
Regards,
Mike Romano
Sales Manager
Porsche - Bentley Specialist
A.W.E. Tuning
P 888.565.2257
F 215.658.1877 http://www.awe-tuning.com
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
