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I wanted to get some advice from the Cayman community regarding the wisdom of purchasing a new '08 CS at a decent discount vs. exercising a little patience and waiting for the presumed spring release of the facelifted model. I was checking out a basalt black, with full natural red leather interior, bixenons, preferred package and sport steering wheel which is listed for 57K, but I may be able to get for even a little under that. I've been combing the local dealerships for some time now, and this strikes me as a very good deal. On the other hand, from what I've read here and elsewhere, the upcoming model with DFI and a horsepower bump is causing me some second thoughts, but even more so, the promise of a engine with (40% fewer components...can this be true??), and a reworked driveshaft/DM flywheel/clutch setup to alleviate RMS problems seems to be a big deal, and worth waiting for. I realize that one can always put off a purchase and rationalize that the next iteration is going to be better in some way, but does the promised makeover warrant it?
Thanks for your thougths.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
When that car first comes out, discounts will be rare. Since it will be a 2010 model, dealers won't have to worry about clearing them out for a good while, plus I expect Porsche to decrease production to better suit demand.
The new car will be better, but there's nothing wrong with the current one. I bought my 2.7 car two weeks ago, and don't regret it.
Everyone will have their opinion..like me and talk about the benefits of buy now drive and enjoy or wait and get a model that on rumor will be a ripper.
Consider what each version will be worth if one day you want to trade into another Porsche model.
What will retain the much higher value?A 06 design or 09/10 design with DFI.
Is a few months wait worth it,I think so but I am bias as I have ordered the Facelift.
Good Luck in your choice.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
Welcome. This is always a tough choice in my book. The first generation CS is a great car, but the new one is looking better and better to me. If it was me, I'd be waiting for the new version, spec it exactly how you like, and enjoy knowing you have the latest and greatest for some years to come.
I would say wait for the new one if you plan on keeping it for a while. I like to drive the latest and greatest, so your choice may vary.
Many will tell you to buy now, but I can almost guarantee you that when you buy now, you will almost certainly regret it after the new one comes out if you plan on keeping it for a while.
Either way, look at your budget, if the deep discount is the only way you can afford a Cayman, then stay with it, since they will evaporate on the new design, otherwise, I would wait.
The new redesign takes care of a lot of shortcomings with the current Cayman. After about driving my car for two weeks, I named about 90% of what will be changed in the new Cayman, it is that obvious.
Yeah, you have to weigh out the differences: $8k (+ or -) off an '08 or MSRP (+ or -) on a '10. I am choosing the latter. I got a good price on a ordered '08, but then more details started leaking out. When I heard the "40% less moving parts" info, that closed the deal. My dealer was quite gracious in allowing me to back out of my order (no deposit). I think the fact that they didn't have any Cayman S's allocated for six months helped.
Yesterday, I went and looked @ my ordered car...very nice. But I know my next one will be nicer. But it will be another 8 months that I won't be driving a Cayman, and that is worth a lot, also.
I bought an '08 CS a couple of weeks ago at a very nice discount. I have no regrets. In a couple of years, I'll simply buy a new one. In the meantime I am really enjoying the new Cayman.
08 cs $71500 msrp pbpt 19" wheels climate control. Dealer otd price $57200
I will lease and get the new model when its 3 years into production, as they
say in South Florida "such a deal".
Thanks for the advice. Having spent some time reading through all the posts on the MY10 CS, it seems like this update is going to be more than just cosmetic, with the promise of some significant improvements. It's tough to forgo the immediate gratification that would come with getting an '08 this week, but I think in the end, I'm going to be happy I held off, at least till the spring. I've test driven the CS several times now, it never fails to impress. Can't wait till I have one in my garage!
I have been browsing the forums sporadically, but more often recently because I have really been interested in purchasing a CaymanS. I found one near me listed at 69,710. Although I have read that the new version will be coming out soon, I don't think the changes are dramatic to the point where I would feel completely sorry I purchased one now.
I originally was looking at BMW's but having experienced my dealership's service dept., I am thoroughly disgusted. I test drove a CS not too long ago and think it is amazing. It drives how a sports car is supposed to.
The particular vehicle I'm looking at has the following options:
Leather Sport Seats
Floor Mats in Interior Color
Bose High End Sound Package
Automatic Climate Control PASM
Self-Dim Mirrors & Rain Sensor
19" Turbo Wheel
Heated Front Seats
Chrome Exhaust Pipe
Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package
3-Spoke Sport Steering Wheel
I have offered them 62,500 for it(honestly I offered 62500otd just to go for the gold, got denied, and offered 62,500), but this was before I found out that it was almost put out to service as a loaner. The internet salesman also told me that the warranty card has been punched. My questions to you all are: What do you think the car is worth? Do you think my offer is too high/low? And finally...do you think I should wait for the updated CS?
If the price is right, I would really like to close the deal very soon. I would appreciate any input and anxiously await your responses.
PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM
Hi six dealers I have talked to in the last month (three in s Florida) start
at 8000 of msrp cayman 10000 of msrp cayman S, They are hurting many
are stating these numbers on there web sites (Braman s Florida) you just
got to try harder.
Your original price OTD should actually be very doable. Push harder, alot harder, and let them know what other dealers are doing in terms of discounts. Is this an '08 or '07? If it's an '08, it will depend on alot how much the dealership is hurting to make a sale. $10K can generally be done, but more than that...depends. Best of luck!
Thank you for the responses. The vehicle in question is a 2008. Every time I find a pde1, it seems to be "sold" when I inquire about it. The one I'm looking at incredibly resembles what I would have wanted if I built it myself(missing the alcantara headliner and some more leather).