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I'm racking my brain trying to decide what to do. I've been impressed with the knowledge on the board so maybe you all can offer some advice. I want a Cayman S and I'm faced with 2 paths and I can't decide which one to follow.
Option 1:
Used
The good: After a year of searching I've found the exact used CS I've been looking for. It has every option I want, the exact color combo I want, is a 2007 with only a couple thousand miles on it. Even the price is excellent. If I were to order one this would be it.
The bad: It is in Colorado and I am in Chicago. To purchase this CS I'd have to trade in my Boxster S. I have positive equity in the 986 so that's not a problem, but being the CS I want is 3 wide states away that makes purchasing it more difficult. Plus I haven't seen the car in person and I am naturally dubious about that.
Option 2:
New
The good: I will wait until the 2010 CSs come out and order one. I will get the exact options I want. If the rumors hold true it'll have DFI, PCM 3.0, bluetooth, iPod dock, and ventilated seats. Plus I have never in my life owned a new car. I think it'll be very cool if my first new car is a 2010 Cayman S. It'll be something only I've owned and I've driven.
The bad: I have to wait until mid 2009 for this. Next is the cost. I can afford a new Cayman, but the money saved if I buy a used one could go toward mods or trackdays or mountain climbing trips (another past time of mine).
Will the 2010 Cayman be that much of an improvement over a 2007 Cayman to justify waiting and buying new?
Thanks in advance. My wife is getting tired of me flip-flopping my decision. LOL
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
I would wait for the new model, it takes care of almost every problem the current model has.
From a technological standpoint, the current Cayman is about 3-5 years behind other cars in its class. No DSG, no LED lights, no touchscreen/bluetooth, no ipod, a lot of buzzing and rattle at times, SMOKE at turns, there are about 10 others I am too lazy to name.
If you can afford it, treat yourself to a car that you know you will enjoy, since all the options have been chosen by you. The new Cayman will come with more power, which should offset some of the money you would have used to increase power on the used model.
Just my thoughts.
Last edited by boobernackle; 08-20-2008 at 10:13 PM.
i would go with the used car in option 1 - you can enjoy the 2007 car now, and then order a new 2010 in a year or so after they've been sorted out. and then when the 2010's come out see then if you still want a new one. you can always get a better deal after the initial rush is over anyway. i was faced with the same dilema 6-8 months ago, and found a used 2006 exactly like what i wanted. saved myself $20k, and didn't have to wait 3-4 months. let the other guy take the hit on depreciation.
I feel your pain. Seems like I torture myself w/ similar scenarios everytime I'm about to move on to my next vehicle. As a observer that has nothing to gain or lose by your ultimate decision, I see 3 basic choices ranging from most expensive to least expensive:
1) Get the used Cayman now; sell it in 2010 and get the new Cayman.
2) Get nothing now. Wait until 2010 and get the new Cayman.
3) Get the used Cayman now; keep it even after the next generation Caymans are released.
You have to be honest about your financial situation (both current and projected retirement). Eliminate all choices that would pose an unacceptable risk to your financial situation. Of the remaining choices, pick your favorite.
I believe there's some confusion here. If I'm not mistaken, the 2010 Cayman will be available in March 2009. The confusion arises because Porsche has apparently decided to skip a year with respect to vehicle naming. Am I correct here?
BTW: I am in a similar situation and am opting to wait for the '10 which I hope to have in March 09.
This late in the game I would go for a new one as well... for the updated electronics and DFI for better efficiency and slight boost in power. It should be out in just a few months. If you've waited this long, what's another few months... it should be out in Spring next year, but be prepared to pay close to MSRP for the new model.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
89 views and 5 replies... I'm guessing that is so because this is would be a tough decision for many.
Thanks for the advice so far. The more I think about it the more I lean toward waiting for the 2010. Like SGF and suneet have said the rumor is that Porsche will release the 2010 in the middle of 2009, so hopefully I'll be able to place my order for one in the Spring.
One more thing to think about is timing. I'm in Chicago (suburbs) and I don't drive my Boxster in the winter... all the salt ya know. So if I get the used CS then I have 2 maybe 2.5 months of good driving left until the Spring. And by that time ordering 2010s might be possible.
I know I'll likely pay close to MSRP and I'm prepared for that. Hopefully I can get some kind of a deal off sticker.
Just a thought but Spring is not just afew months away. At least 6 by my count. But then again I live in California so what do I know. Also like any new car do you want the first year for all the changes with their "sometimes" problems?? Even Porsche has first year "bugs". I would wait for the 2011 to make sure all is ok. If you buy now you can wait for the bugs to be worked out and prices to be discounted off of msrp while still driving a Cayman. On the down side buy it right to avoid a depreciation hit. Just my 2 cents worth about 1 cent.
89 views and 5 replies... I'm guessing that is so because this is would be a tough decision for many.
Thanks for the advice so far. The more I think about it the more I lean toward waiting for the 2010. Like SGF and suneet have said the rumor is that Porsche will release the 2010 in the middle of 2009, so hopefully I'll be able to place my order for one in the Spring.
One more thing to think about is timing. I'm in Chicago (suburbs) and I don't drive my Boxster in the winter... all the salt ya know. So if I get the used CS then I have 2 maybe 2.5 months of good driving left until the Spring. And by that time ordering 2010s might be possible.
I know I'll likely pay close to MSRP and I'm prepared for that. Hopefully I can get some kind of a deal off sticker.
If $ are tight for you for a 2010 CS (e.g. you got kids, mortgage, etc), another option is to order the base Cayman. You will save at least $10K, and still enjoy a great drive.
Just a thought but Spring is not just afew months away. At least 6 by my count. But then again I live in California so what do I know. Also like any new car do you want the first year for all the changes with their "sometimes" problems?? Even Porsche has first year "bugs". I would wait for the 2011 to make sure all is ok. If you buy now you can wait for the bugs to be worked out and prices to be discounted off of msrp while still driving a Cayman. On the down side buy it right to avoid a depreciation hit. Just my 2 cents worth about 1 cent.
I agree with that, although a REALLY touch decision, especially on this time, I agree you should wait till 2011 so that all the "new car bugs" have been sorted out.
IMHO, go for the used now, trade in 2011 for the new one, I think they'd definitely have probs in the first year that'd need sorting out!!
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I agree you should wait till 2011 so that all the "new car bugs" have been sorted out.
I think they'd definitely have probs in the first year that'd need sorting out!!
Don't forget that there are people in Europe that are already driving their new 997.2's, which have the same engine design that the new Cayman S engine will have. So it's not like you'll be the Guinea pig for the very first engine on the road. Having said that, I have no idea what the timeline is for Porsche to effect a fix in their production line.
P.S. - I have chosen to wait (for the '10, not the '11).
Thanks again for the replies. Those are each very good points.
The possibility of bugs in the new engine is definitely something to think about, but otisdog brings up a good point. I'm hoping that by the time the 987.2 comes out most of the bugs will at least be identified. I'm also putting faith in Porsche that a lot of the issues with the current model engine and chassis will be fixed with this new release.
As for timing yes spring is a long way away if you live in California. However here in the Chicago area once winter hits I'll be driving my Hyundai and leaving my fun car to hibernate until the thaw. I envy you Cali-folk.
As for finances, I am married and do have a mortgage. We don't have any kids and the only debt we carry is the house, my Boxster, and her Civic. No credit card debt, student loans, or any of that. We have 3 retirement accounts and put decent chunks of our paychecks into savings every 2 weeks as well. We purposely bought a house under what we could afford to make sure we had extra money at the end of each month. So while a new CS would cost me more each month than my Boxster it wouldn't stretch me thin.