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View Poll Results: Will DFI and PDK introduction stop falling Cayman/Boxster sales?
Will DFI and/or PDK help flagging sales of Cayman/Boxster models
With all of the talk about Cayman prices being way down (see many related threads elsewhere), will the introduction of DFI (and PDK) help with Cayman and Boxster sales? This poll is on another website but there are few, if any, responses. (Maybe it's because everybody posts here.)
Also, comment was made that the Cayman S will get DFI before Cayman and Boxster series.
If you don't want to answer yes or no, then respond other and post your comments here.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
Porsche need to drop the price by $5,000 (in line with the Boxster) instead of pretending they are getting MSRP for Caymans.
Too much talk of 10% off (from dealers on new cars) is keeping used prices so low
Its just hard to sell 240HP for $58,000 once you add a few basics- like leather, sports seats, sports steering wheel, paint, 18 inch wheels, stereo, headlights. These basic options should come standard on a sports car (with average HP) in the $50k price range
Porsche needs to look at their pricing if they want to sell more Caymans (or just add more options as standard).
I've got the money, and I'm still going to get one. But its a dumb deal... and I think I'm crazy for wanting a new car, when the deals on the used ones are so low.
I'm looking at the base model ... and if the 09 doesn't have the new engine, that will be just another slap in the face (to someone who is trying hard to become a new customer) ....seems Porsche is doing their best to push me away.
I decided to order rather than get something off the lot (which would have given me 80% of what I wanted for 90% of the price).
There is no question Porsche is trying to control production of the Boxster and Cayman (911 and Cayenne seem to be another story if you visit dealers around here). Just hear the detail from the different dealers on how stingily Porsche is allocating build slots for the Cayman-Boxster series (for example, they would not be allocating Boxster S slots at all, but they'd allocate 1 Boxster 2.7 per month, and they seem to be allocating twice as many Cayman S slots as 2.7 Caymans - like 2 CS's per month as opposed to 1 2.7C for a particular high volume dealer). I suspect PCNA knows about the depreciation issue (which could kill dealers when it comes to selling off-lease cars) and doesn't want to depress things even further by glutting a weak market. I wonder if a couple of the Porsche dealer folks who lurk around here would elaborate and perhaps correct me - this was just an observation from the dealers I visited.
First, the sales of all but econo buckets are flagging. But, I don't think the Cayman/Boxster are doing all that badly among Porsches. Sure, all the 997s, lumped together, are leaders usually after the Cayenne, but as individual models, e.g., CS v 911s, Caymans do pretty well. While Porsche doesn't push it, they get pretty damn good mileage for a performance car. I think the PDK/DFI will help sine both improve performance and mileage and there are still lots of folks who like an "automatic". My neighbor was carping about his Hyundai Santa Fe only getting 24 mpg/hwy on a recent trip. When I said my CS gets 26, he was shocked! It's just not a typical selling point for Porsche, but that could change...
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
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"...It's the economy stupid..." I want to say this statement is NOT aimed at anyone involved in this post, that said it should tell anyone looking why the price of the Cayman new and used is so effected.
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The Cayman is the unwitting victim of many folks' misconceptions. The other night, while some relatives were sitting around on the patio, my wife mentioned out interest in the Cayman. The first response was "oh, that's so expensive". I pointed out that it was less expensive than every one of their cars parked in the drive.
The were surprised. Then I started in on the gas mileage and how I'd actually "make money" driving a Cayman under my current mileage reimbursement.
Porsche likely doesn't market these types of things but they are certain powerful persuaders.
The PDK is a $4,080 option on the 997. If it is a no-cost option on the Boxster/Cayman, it will help the sales. At $4,080, I can't see myself paying that kind of money.
I voted no. Like any "new" model, sales of the new DFI version of the Cayman/Boxster will be up a bit, but probably nothing like when they were both introduced as 987s. As other posts have said.....it's simply the economy right now, which will get better, just not speedy quick.
I don't think Porsche will drop prices anytime in the near future, but may hold the line on base and options pricing, with maybe some increased content.
At this point there is just no way in heck I would plunk down $4k for PDK, at that price I don't care what it brings to the table.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
My .02 cents worth. I have been a Porsche product owner and driver for over 40 years and had many 9XX series cars. When the Cayman S first came out I bought a 2006 "S" and really enjoyed it. I only traded it in when I got the opportunity to order a 2007 GT3. The GT3 was an outstandingly powerful car with great handling and fantastic brakes but mine was trouble bound. In 11 months and 3700 miles it was in the shop for almost 8 weeks with repeated rear main seal oil leaks. After the fourth it was bought back. I replaced it with a 2008 Cayman S (adaptive sport seats, Bose, heated seats and Bi Z headlights) I was quickly re-introduced to how much fun the Cayman is. In fact in the first 9 days I put 800 miles on it and really did not go anywhere. My wife must also be impressed as she wants us to take it and not her Cayanne GTS on our upcoming 2500 mile trip that includes Croctoberfest.and visiting our grandchildren .... and we are mid 60's retired folks.
I really think the Cayman (S) is the most under rated and under appreciated sports car by the general sports car public. It is nimble, quick, comfortable and has more lockable storage than a 997
As to the PDK transmission and direct fuel injection. I want to let the 997 crowd sort out the bugs (yes I know the Cayman engine is different) but I have put my name in to my dealer for the first order allocation for the 2010 Cayman S with direct injection, PDK, limited slip and Bluetooth plus the options I have on my current Cayman. Wit hte PDK and increased Hp of the newer engine it will just be a better car than the current one that is just short of fantastic.
Now if Porsche is listening, there is one thing I would like changed from the current model. Please remove the analog speedometer as no one looks at it. Retain the digital LED lower portion of that left gauge and insert two small gauges in the upper portion, oil pressure and oil temp. Not only will this provide the driver more information but the instrument cluster will be more balanced .
Sorry for the long post but you kind of asked for opinions.
DFI
Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control.
check 6,
look forward to seeing you at Croctoberfest! and the new Cayman
and that's a great idea! let's hope Porsche is listening
Quote:
Originally Posted by check 6
Now if Porsche is listening, there is one thing I would like changed from the current model. Please remove the analog speedometer as no one looks at it. Retain the digital LED lower portion of that left gauge and insert two small gauges in the upper portion, oil pressure and oil temp. Not only will this provide the driver more information but the instrument cluster will be more balanced .
'07 CS, Meteor Grey, stone grey, 19" Carrera Sport with meteor grey spokes/polished rim, headrest crests, bi-xenons, Bose, power seats, rain sensor, fire extinguisher, heated seats, dimming mirrors, FabSpeed Maxflo II catback
on the 997. If it is a no-cost option on the Boxster/Cayman, it will help the sales. At $4,080, I can't see myself paying that kind of money.
