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Old 01-03-2008, 01:50 AM
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Now I know why people run winter tires!

I live in Atlanta and the last couple of days it has been in the low 20s here (very cold for Atlanta). Drove to work today as it was a fairly sunny day. On the way to work no problems as the tires were relatively warm from sitting in my garage but on the way home (and after sitting in a 20 degree parking garage all day) the loss of traction was very noticeable. Wierd thing was the tires kind of hopped (spin then grab, spin then grab) as opposed to smoothly spinning. I think perhaps traction control kicked in but I saw no dash indicator. I have the standard Michelin PS2s. In any case now I know - Porsche isn't kidding when they give a temperature limit for the tires!!!!
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Old 01-03-2008, 05:23 AM
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Yea, I noticed the PS2s started getting a little slippery when they got down to the 40 degree range.

My Alpins are a little slippy when they're 20 degrees also, but they seem to "warm up" to better traction pretty quickly.
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Old 01-03-2008, 05:37 AM
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Wierd thing was the tires kind of hopped (spin then grab, spin then grab) as opposed to smoothly spinning. I think perhaps traction control kicked in but I saw no dash indicator.
It is nice and smooth with a TBD and sport mode. Both tires pull evenly and while they still both spin, it is significantly more controlled. I haven't broken out into donuts yet but I may just do that if we stay in the 20s through the weekend .
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:35 PM
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With lows in the 20's the Cayman is going to be parked today and tomorrow but it is supposed to be up in the low 60's by Sunday and high 60's by mid-week.

I wonder is the size of the tire makes any difference. In other words, would a 17" wheel/tire combination flex more and generate more heat than an 18" or 19" wheel/tire combination? I'm running 17" wheels/tires during the winter to save my 18" "S" wheels from potholes.
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I've hesitated to post this, but I have a great deal of fun driving the Cayman at those temps because of the loss of traction. Power slides are easily achieved by just modulating power. Below freezing the car effortlessly brings the tail out and can go around turns in a nice controlled drift.

If you're not comfortable driving sideways, I don't recommend trying this. but if you are comfortable, it can be a great deal of fun. If you don't turn PSM off, it shuts you down real fast. I've also found that if you go to PASM sport mode I get no wheel hop and the car stays very flat and controllable as the tail comes out. But be careful, it all happens much faster in the Cayman than it does in a front engine rear drive car. You need to be very gentle, and if you are the car is very controllable and can acheive a very smooth slightly tail out drift.
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I've hesitated to post this, but I have a great deal of fun driving the Cayman at those temps because of the loss of traction. Power slides are easily achieved by just modulating power. Below freezing the car effortlessly brings the tail out and can go around turns in a nice controlled drift.

If you're not comfortable driving sideways, I don't recommend trying this. but if you are comfortable, it can be a great deal of fun. If you don't turn PSM off, it shuts you down real fast. I've also found that if you go to PASM sport mode I get no wheel hop and the car stays very flat and controllable as the tail comes out. But be careful, it all happens much faster in the Cayman than it does in a front engine rear drive car. You need to be very gentle, and if you are the car is very controllable and can acheive a very smooth slightly tail out drift.
Yes, it is alot of fun swinging the tail out at will. Your tail coming out can be a problem when it happens due to an evasive action, or when unexpected due to a sudden change in road conditions (small patch of ice).

If you are going to drive your Cayman regularly in sub 40 degree weather, be smart and buy winter tires.
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Old 01-03-2008, 02:55 PM
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Yea, I am in the Dc area and are still on my summers because I couldn't find a place I trusted to change tires out. It's been interesting. I noticed as soon as it got under 40 but now that it's 20 deg out - it's been fun. The CS is my only car so.... I thought before that all I had to do was stay out of the snow but that's not quite true. Fortunately, I'm going to Arizonna for a couple weeks this weekend so hopefully I 'll miss some snow storms.
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Old 01-03-2008, 05:44 PM
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Gator bite - I like your post, I was thinking the same thing but I'm not that good of a driver. I have my eye on the next DE courses to help rectify this
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:46 PM
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It's fun until the first time you slide too far and do serious damage to your car. Having grown up in Canada, I've got lots of experience driving in snow and ice. My first car when I was in my teens was an MR2, with high performance summer tires. Despite the mid-engined balance, I still remember what a handful it was when the tires exceeded the boundaries of their temperature ratings.

My suggestion would be to keep the car parked on cold days, or get yourself real winter tires. It's a relatively small investment to avoid an accident.
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