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Entrenched engine wisdom become engine myths?

I read some articles on AERO engines, which have to be more reliable than car engines obviously, and their owners who are also pilots are serious engine geeks not like semi-enthusiasts like me. Some interesting points:

1) Modern multi-viscosity oil offers superior lubrication and longer engine life than old-fashioned single-weight oil.

there are 2 `good things' about multiviscosity oil, that they are better lubricants because they thicken up (relatively - the viscosity decreases logarithmicly but less steep slope) in higher temps, and because they don't thicken up too much in low temperatures.

Multiviscosity oil has 10% polymers called Viscosity Index Improvers, which attempt to increase viscosity of oil when it heats up.These VI polymers are NOT lubricants. Basically for the same volume of Multiviscosity oil you only get 90% lubrication capability of single weight oil.

And Singapore doesn't have low temps when the oil thickens up too much to flow effectively. But we have 0W oils which is like very nicely flowing at low temps like room temp. THAT's supposed to be good because it seems that when you start the car, the oil will flow fast. But my question is - single viscosity oil which is just as think at room temps than at high temps. The oil supposed to stick to the piston walls and your piston ring, so when you start, isn't it better than 0W oils which like flow down the walls of the cylinder walls leaving them naked? Doesn't that cause corrosion?

2) The less oil an engine burns, the better.

Oil supposed to line the cylinder walls. If you don't burn any oil, doesn't it mean that too thin or the lube system has a problem that the oil is not reaching the top of the cylinder? A properly lubricated cylinder, the entire wall is coated with oil, so surely some oil will burn.

3) The cooler the engine's oil athe better

OK when the oil too hot the oil breaks down and therefore too hot is no good. But too cold got super issues. If too cold, let's say your oil only at 90C, that is below the boiling point of water. Because in my country, air is 80-90% humidity, there's a LOT of water in the air. Once the engine starts to cool down, the water condenses. It will go into the oil sump. If the next time you start your engine still like 90C kinda temp, the water NEVER gets boiled away much, and your oil gets thinner and thinner and your engine will have less and less effective lubrication.
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'Aero' engines aren't any more reliable than our Porsche engines or any other decent engine Mfg. They (aero) are just maintained much more often by real mechanics which are held accountable unlike (auto) mechanics, Porsche mechanics included.

Aero engines do have some redundant systems, and run magnetos, but are quite crude like an old VW engine. They also have TBO's (time between overhauls) and 100 hr inspections as well as annual inspections. So its really about maintenance, not simply oil, fuel or climate.

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Porsche has also made airplane engines.

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reliabity issue of aero engines not really the main point, but what about the validity of the counterpoints against common wisdom? Genius or crackpot?
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I have some points to make regarding your concerns. Even with "O" weight oil, the film left on the cylinder wall will still be there, although very thin, for a very long time. That's the beauty of modern synthetic oils and their additives. Also, all the 4 cycle engines I've encountered have an " oil scraper ring" below the compression rings. The purpose of this ring is to "scrape" oil off the cylinder wall so it doesn't reach the combustion chamber and get burned. A modern engine should not burn oil. I hope others will chime in and correct me if I'm wrong or add their opinions.
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Synthetic oils are hands down the best oil for our cars, but the good ole dino oil does a better job protecting aganst corrosion.

I doubt my car will ever sit that long, but many airplanes do!


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Synthetic oils are hands down the best oil for our cars, but the good ole dino oil does a better job protecting aganst corrosion.

I doubt my car will ever sit that long, but many airplanes do!


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What makes you say that? I'm interested in your observations, not challenging btw.
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