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Old 06-29-2008, 11:08 AM
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Why is porsche not participating in F1

I was watching the French F1 race last week and noticed that most German marques have an F1 car with the exception of Porsche.

I'm a quite dissapointed that they don't have a car to leverage off R&D work for production cars.

Anybody know why they have not made an effort? I can't imagine it's an issue with finances or is it because they've chosen to focus on le mans series instead.

C'mon F1, most prestigious circuit, how can they not be in it?
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:22 AM
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I don't believe Porsche has ever participated in F1, at least in the last 2 decades or so. Seeing the kind of technology needed in F1 these days, I suspect it would be cost-prohibitive for a small company like Porsche (at the very least they would no longer be the most profitable automaker in the world). They have focused on other types of racing, notably Le Mans prototypes and IMSA, and plenty of independent teams in the US participate in SCCA racing.
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Porsche returned to Formula One in 1983 after nearly two decades away, supplying engines badged as TAG units for the McLaren Team. The TAG engine was designed to very tight requirements issued by McLaren's John Barnard-he specified the physical layout of the engine to match the design of his proposed car. The engine was funded by TAG who retained the naming rights to it, although the engines bore "made by Porsche" identification. TAG-Porsche-powered cars took two constructor championships in 1984 and 1985, three driver crowns in 1984, 1985, and 1986...
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... cost-prohibitive for a small company like Porsche...
Yes, of course. I agree!... Who in their right mind could think that Porsche could possibly complete with such huge companies as Ferrari?
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:21 PM
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Yes, of course. I agree!... Who in their right mind could think that Porsche could possibly complete with such huge companies as Ferrari?
Ferrari's whole image and history revolves around F1. Porsches doesn't. That's the way I look at it. Ferrari is also a 'boutique' type of company where Porsche has their 'eggs' in the sports car basket. Good challenge but I'd rather see Porsche win in sports car racing than in F1. Now please don't remind me of those pesky F430's in ALMS!
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Ferrari? Don't you mean Fiat?
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Last year, Porsche’s head of motor sport Hartmut Kristen said: “Motorsport for us does not have a purely self-interested purpose. Rather, we want to satisfy the demands of our customers.”

An F1 team is a business in itself ... The big teams have more than 1000 employees. And if you aren't in the top three, you look like a loser.
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If you ever get the chance read Formula Money (it costs 150 pounds so you already have a clue to the answer) and you get a pretty good idea of why Porsche avoids this form of racing.
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Ferrari, not FIAT. See latest headlines about Ferrari F1 not receiving any funds from FIAT F1 : Boss says Ferrari team not funded by Fiat - FERRARI - F1-Live.com
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i would think that Porsche's marketing interests are much better served by sportscar racing than open wheel. The RS Spyder for example, generates less interest for me than seeing the 911 RSR race against the F430s.

porsche's product range, excluding the SUV, revolves around sportscars and I would think that the owners WANT to see their sportcars, at least highly modified versions, compete on the track instead of a totally different car. Merc and BMW sedan owners would feel the aura from the F1 track but not as much as one feels to have a car which looks like your own race, but even then, DTM generates great interest at least in Germany and the UK using lookalike cars.
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Porsche racing history is extensive. Take a look here for a better idea: Racing History - History - Philosophy - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

In regard to F1, let me ask you this. How many people do you know of in the USA who have ever seen an F1 race? Keep in mind that up until very recently, the USA accounted for more than 50% of all Porsches sold. Today it's in the 40s. F1 is very regional, primarily a European spectator sport. Porsche sales are very global. The expensive cost to racing in F1 would be a misplacement of advertising funds.
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porsche is not a "Small company" i have no idea how you got that idea. Wiki it and see how all the german auto makers are relateded with each other.

porsche don't see the point in F1, i believe thats their view on the subject, i don't remeber where i heard it but.

but really, F1 is just too far apart to production cars, to pour the type of money required to win F1 and you don't recover any derivatives that could be implemented in road cars which then justifies the R&D cost.

that plus ferrari, why compete when you know you are going to lose, no offence to porshe fans but thats pretty much why i hate F1.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:32 PM
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Yes its as "regional" as soccer ,.. or futbol as the rest of the world knows it. LOL..Gator Bite,.. U haven't had UR coffee yet or what? F1 is the second largest spectator sport in the World and the No. 1 regular spectator sport in the World represented by only one sporting association. Nothing else is even close. And in 10 years, USA will be less than 25% of Porsche sales. Not becuz Porsche sales go down here,.. but becuz the rest of the World has become very wealthy!
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