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A top Toyota engineer dies of overwork

I just read on My AOL homepage that a Japanese court has found that one of Toyota's top engineers, only 45 years old, died of overwork in 2006. He was the lead engineer working on the Camry hybrid and apparently he was under great pressure and working more than 80 hours a month overtime. Such overwork is called "karoshi" and has been the norm in Japanese industry, in which workers are expected to put in many extra hours, often unpaid. Such lawsuits are reportedly growing in numbers in Japan. This is very sad and makes you wonder if this is how they are able to produce nice cars at a low price.
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Hard to believe that "overwork" alone killed this person. Most of the people I work with regularly put in 100 or more hours per week and not a single person has died from it. Most have been something else in addition.
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Hybrid cars kill. This is just more proof.

100 hours a week?


That is nice work/work balance. LOL.

Are you a masochist (physician) or do you count sleeping, eating and working out while on call as "work" (fireman)?
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I do not doubt this in the least as I know this culture, and have been in it in an executive capacity. Work/life balance is viewed differently...just the relaxation part alone can kill you.
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Hard to believe that "overwork" alone killed this person. Most of the people I work with regularly put in 100 or more hours per week and not a single person has died from it. Most have been something else in addition.
100 hours per week? C'mon! There are only 168 hours in one seven day week. If one got 8 hours of sleep per day, thats 56. So 100 hours of work 56 hours of sleep leaves only 8 hours to do anything else. Lets see....any commute time? Time to alleviate at the toilet?

I have seen 80+ hour weeks, but 100? WOW. Hardly seems possible!
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Here is a quick article about it. It sounds like the court called it overwork so that the family will continue to get benefits from Toyota. Even though it's easy to argue that he was overworked with 80+hour work weeks.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/09/t...oshi-overwork/
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100 hours per week? C'mon! There are only 168 hours in one seven day week. If one got 8 hours of sleep per day, thats 56. So 100 hours of work 56 hours of sleep leaves only 8 hours to do anything else. Lets see....any commute time? Time to alleviate at the toilet?

I have seen 80+ hour weeks, but 100? WOW. Hardly seems possible!
18/7 work weeks are not unheard of in Japanese corporations...I know, I did them when needed.
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Work/life balance will be different for each individual. Some can thrive on only 3-4 hours/day of sleep (not me!). Similarly, hours are not the only stress contributor. I burnt myself out a few years ago with only ~60 hours/week at work but couldn't turn off thinking about it when I was elsewhere. Different strokes for different folks.
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Hybrid cars kill. This is just more proof.

100 hours a week?


That is nice work/work balance. LOL.

Are you a masochist (physician) or do you count sleeping, eating and working out while on call as "work" (fireman)?
There are only 168 hours in a week, come on no one does that.
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I don't think that would happen to Porsche engineers, considering the rate of design changes to the Cayman. Last year they added LEDs to the taillights?
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at a previous job i was putting in 80+ hours/week for 4 to 5 months of the year (some weeks it close to 90 hours). my last year there i ended up frequently sleeping in the office and didn't go home for days. it took a few years, but i finally left that place. now its a much more manageable 45 hours/week.
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I think 80 hours/week is not unusual. I know GM people (not engineering) in Asia who work more than that. Today the line between workplace and home is not easy to define, most knowledge workers have laptops with state of the art conferencing and data access to be able to work at full capacity anywhere in the world.
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Seems like a normal week for me. 10 years ago I did much more than that, every day till 10 or 11 pm when starting the business. Now I cut back to 50-60hrs/week. Trying to cut back more.
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