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With the approach of the new CAFE standards most of us have been saying that the direction to go in the future for high performance sports cars is turbocharged small displacement engines in a light car. Us Porsche fans also know that Porsche is a master of this sort of configuration. I just didn't realize how masterful, and to see this you need to look to the past. Us long-term fans remember how Porsche dominated Formula 1 racing back in the early to mid 80's with the McLaren cars powered by the TAG motor engineered by Porsche. Porsche built a marvelous 1.5 litre V-6 pumping out prodigeous amounts of horsepower and no one else could keep up! I always wondered just how powerful that little engine was and I just found out. If you look at the pictures from the Charlotte Porsche Parade you will see one of a 1987 McLaren TAG-Porsche with a placard in front of it. I enlarged the picture on my computer and you can actually make out the printing on the placard, which indicates that in qualifying trim that little 1.5 litre motor could develop 1060 horsepower: an amazing 706 hp per litre! All I can say is, please Porsche, build us a street motor like that with even half the power and stick it in a lightweight (read Club Sport) Cayman! I also remember reading somewhere that the TAG-Porsche motor was the first to be built from the ground up as a turbocharged motor. Prior to that motor, if you wanted to go turbocharged, you took a normally aspirated motor and bolted on a turbocharger. This was the first to be built from the very beginning as a turbocharged motor. Porsche has done some amazing things in it's 60 year history, and the TAG-Porsche motor is one of the most memorable!
With the approach of the new CAFE standards most of us have been saying that the direction to go in the future for high performance sports cars is turbocharged small displacement engines in a light car. Us Porsche fans also know that Porsche is a master of this sort of configuration. I just didn't realize how masterful, and to see this you need to look to the past. Us long-term fans remember how Porsche dominated Formula 1 racing back in the early to mid 80's with the McLaren cars powered by the TAG motor engineered by Porsche. Porsche built a marvelous 1.5 litre V-6 pumping out prodigeous amounts of horsepower and no one else could keep up! I always wondered just how powerful that little engine was and I just found out. If you look at the pictures from the Charlotte Porsche Parade you will see one of a 1987 McLaren TAG-Porsche with a placard in front of it. I enlarged the picture on my computer and you can actually make out the printing on the placard, which indicates that in qualifying trim that little 1.5 litre motor could develop 1060 horsepower: an amazing 706 hp per litre! All I can say is, please Porsche, build us a street motor like that with even half the power and stick it in a lightweight (read Club Sport) Cayman! I also remember reading somewhere that the TAG-Porsche motor was the first to be built from the ground up as a turbocharged motor. Prior to that motor, if you wanted to go turbocharged, you took a normally aspirated motor and bolted on a turbocharger. This was the first to be built from the very beginning as a turbocharged motor. Porsche has done some amazing things in it's 60 year history, and the TAG-Porsche motor is one of the most memorable!
I think the BMW motor put out up to 1500hp in qualifying trim and about 900hp in race trim - it was based on a production block. I know where you can get a TAG-Porsche motor if you want. A great center piece for the garage!
Yes, I've seen the TAG-Porsche engine blocks advertised. It would be a nice center piece on the coffee table! Whatever the BMW motor put out back then, I don't think they won a single race against the TAG-Porsches. It was another Porsche domination, as in group 5 back in 1970-71, Can Am back in 1972 and 73, Group C through the 80's, and ALMS in 2007.
Yes, I've seen the TAG-Porsche engine blocks advertised. It would be a nice center piece on the coffee table! Whatever the BMW motor put out back then, I don't think they won a single race against the TAG-Porsches. It was another Porsche domination, as in group 5 back in 1970-71, Can Am back in 1972 and 73, Group C through the 80's, and ALMS in 2007.
Good memory! I looked on the F1 website and BMW did win in 1983 but then TAG took 1984/85/86 and then competed one last year in 1987 but that's when the good ol' Honda turbo's started dominating (wouldn't Honda love to go back to the 1980's?!). I remembered the BMW motor well because I have an old Road&Track article with it in the Benetton. The stat's were fantastic! Thx for bringing back the Porsche relationship - I originally didn't link Porsche with TAG.
Here's a picture of the Tag-Porsche F1 turbo V6 from the Historical display at the Charlotte Parade... The Prost McLaren MP4/3 is in the background.
That 1060 HP was achieved by running 58 psi of boost, so it's pretty clear that in qualifying trim, the motor was probably right on the edge of explosion...
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That 1060 HP was achieved by running 58 psi of boost, so it's pretty clear that in qualifying trim, the motor was probably right on the edge of explosion...
brad
You're probably right - if memory serves me correct the BMW guys said that their motor was essentially good for a rebuild after qualifying! And the number of turbo's used per season, for a two car team, was somewhere north of 120. Nice pic btw!
You're probably right - if memory serves me correct the BMW guys said that their motor was essentially good for a rebuild after qualifying! And the number of turbo's used per season, for a two car team, was somewhere north of 120. Nice pic btw!
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Here's a picture of the Tag-Porsche F1 turbo V6 from the Historical display at the Charlotte Parade... The Prost McLaren MP4/3 is in the background.
That 1060 HP was achieved by running 58 psi of boost, so it's pretty clear that in qualifying trim, the motor was probably right on the edge of explosion...
brad
I wonder if that would fit in my CS? I would certainly want to turn the boost down for say, just a measley 600hp.
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