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Old 05-31-2007, 11:03 AM
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forza2/xbox vs. GT4/PS2

A mate and I are training to race the 24h of Le Mans on the Playstation parallel to the real race in a few weeks. If all goes well we will probably do it again next year but upgrade to Playstation 3 and Grant Turismo 5. But now I see these Forza 2 threads popping up. Looks interesting. Can anyone comment from experience wich combo (xbox/forza2 vs GT4/PS2) is best at the moment from a simulation viewpoint. We are looking for the most realistics and pure driving and racing experience on the game consoles.
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:11 PM
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A mate and I are training to race the 24h of Le Mans on the Playstation parallel to the real race in a few weeks. If all goes well we will probably do it again next year but upgrade to Playstation 3 and Grant Turismo 5. But now I see these Forza 2 threads popping up. Looks interesting. Can anyone comment from experience wich combo (xbox/forza2 vs GT4/PS2) is best at the moment from a simulation viewpoint. We are looking for the most realistics and pure driving and racing experience on the game consoles.
Right now the best is Forza 2 on Xbox 360, it smokes GT4 on PS2 hands down in a lot of ways. GT5 on PS3 isn't out yet so no way to compare but it will be hard to beat Forza 2...
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Old 05-31-2007, 03:22 PM
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Right now the best is Forza 2 on Xbox 360, it smokes GT4 on PS2 hands down in a lot of ways.
Could you please elaborate on that in relation to it's simulation capabilities, the realism of driving and racing ? (I'm referring more to steering wheel feel, car control and so on, less to graphic design)
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:11 PM
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IMHO ... the physics are significantly better on forza 2. I've been playing for about 8 hours now. You can adjust all aspects of the car like gearing, camber, etc, etc with the right parts added. That ability is above and beyond what I've seen on other sims. That said, I think the graphics are worse than some of the other sims I've seen (PS3 or Xbox360). They only have bright and shiny days, no inclimate weather or nightime driving. Its a blast and you should get it although I'm not sure I would call it preparation for the real thing.
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Old 06-01-2007, 02:34 AM
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Right now the best is Forza 2 on Xbox 360, it smokes GT4 on PS2 hands down in a lot of ways. GT5 on PS3 isn't out yet so no way to compare but it will be hard to beat Forza 2...

Have you played F1 '07 on the PS3? It's awesome! Incredible graphics and realism. You can go through each circuit just like the real series, w/ practice/car setup (changing suspension, alignment, downforce, fuel strategies, etc.), 3 qualifying sessions, and the race.

It can almost be a bit too realistic, since the high performance makes the cars much harder to drive well than production car-based video games...but it feels good once you get up the learning curve and start to put together good laps.


Interestingly enough, I've found I can do very well if I patiently go through the setup w/ the team, tweaking settings, and getting my practice/qualifying laps in. If I just want to do a quick no prep race, I get my butt kicked!

I have an XBox 360 too, so I may have to check Forza out as well.
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Old 06-01-2007, 04:14 AM
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Could you please elaborate on that in relation to it's simulation capabilities, the realism of driving and racing ? (I'm referring more to steering wheel feel, car control and so on, less to graphic design)
As smounic said the physics and adjustability are great, the only problem I've found is that some of the physics are flat out wrong out of the box, and I've seen other complaints on that. The Cayman S is a victim of that, the standard physics are more like a mid 70's 911 than a Cayman, but you can change that, I just think they should have gotten it right from the start without making me figure out how to correct the game designer's mistake. I've actually found the graphics to be quite good (screen caps in the other thread i posted last night) but as smounic said there isn't a rain or fog mode, etc. but I assume that's because they are going to be doing add-ons for this game over time. The marketplace is cool and the custom car design is very cool, I've got someone helping me mock up my car now and when done I'll show it off here.

I do think the force feeback steering wheel could be a little more realistic but I understand that 1 wheel represents a lot of cars so you have to make compromises but you CAN adjust the wheel sensitivity, dead zone, etc. to try and match the feel of the car in real life, just yet another thing to have to tweak...
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Old 06-01-2007, 06:32 AM
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Talking about steering wheels...are these games "playable" without the wheel?
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Old 06-07-2007, 08:08 PM
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I've played all the original GT's and the Forzas and even have the new Gran Turismo HD. Now in the new GT there is no comparison to Forza. The only advantage Forza has in my opinion is the ability to custom paint your car. Gran Turismo looks much better i drove a Infiniti G35 in both games and in Forza it looked cartoon like while in GT you can even make out the LED lights in the back. Heres the Ferrari 599GTB in GTHD




I've played previous GT's and they did have what is referred to as the GT slide where you lose really no speed when sliding. Now though the game is much more realistic that before. You can actually take a car in Gran Turismo 4 and race is on a track and take the equivalent car in real life around the same strack and get very close numbers.

I hope EA lets go of their license on Porsche so they can come to GT.
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Old 06-08-2007, 07:12 PM
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A bit off topic, but I am still waiting for a PSP version of any GT game. I cant believe the graphics on the newest GT game, that is simply amazing. +1 on wishing Posche would be in the GT series. Ill even settle for a new NFS Porsche Unleashed game for PS3.
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Old 06-08-2007, 11:02 PM
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I have two PS2s networked together with a cross-over cable. Two Sparco racing cockpits with forced feedback Logitech pedals/wheels. Each sits in front of it's own 42 inch display. Head to head racing is great. I have a PS3 and love the HD demo on it's 1080P LCD...but there is no forced feedback.

I still play GT4 and love driving Infineon and Laguna in my yellow detuned ruf 3400s with street tires. It accurately simulates driving on those tracks in my car.

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:10 AM
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I've played all the original GT's and the Forzas and even have the new Gran Turismo HD. Now in the new GT there is no comparison to Forza. The only advantage Forza has in my opinion is the ability to custom paint your car. Gran Turismo looks much better i drove a Infiniti G35 in both games and in Forza it looked cartoon like while in GT you can even make out the LED lights in the back. Heres the Ferrari 599GTB in GTHD




I've played previous GT's and they did have what is referred to as the GT slide where you lose really no speed when sliding. Now though the game is much more realistic that before. You can actually take a car in Gran Turismo 4 and race is on a track and take the equivalent car in real life around the same strack and get very close numbers.

I hope EA lets go of their license on Porsche so they can come to GT.
The problem is not knowing if that is a cut scene photo of a car or an actual driving scene. Forza2 has some great looking cars in the intro and cut scenes, but of course the resolution and clarity drops when you get to the driving cars. For me it is more about the driving experience than the looks, so let's see how that compares...
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:46 AM
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I'm thinking about a game system and either GT5 or Forza.

Any more thoughts from you guys after playing these for a while now?
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