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Please don't revoke my membership or move my message to another category deep within the bowels of the site, because I have an observation and a suggestion...
The site's without doubt one of the best (probably the best) in terms of function and layout but It's my view that it's become a little over controlled. Certainly back in the day when the site started you could pretty much post what you wanted, where you wanted and you got heard. But my view this has changed and I'd like to see if we can relax on some of the following:
1. Users are slapped down for asking a question that has aleady been raised. 'another topic merged!' comes the response. When infact I'm personally quiet happy to see the same question asked at a different point in time - things change and new users join. And let's face it the Cayman has been around for 2 years + so its likely that most questions have been asked. If we stuck to searching the forums would be a lot quieter
2. Threads are moved with a little too much enthusiasm. I understand that a growing user population means that you have to implement some controls of content, but the more categories you introduce and police, the more difficult it is to view what people are saying.
3. There seems to be (to me anyway) a very pro-porsche administration. Take for example talk of the facelift. It's one of the most significant things to happen to the Cayman since it was launched (and since I bought mine in November 05). I want to hear all about it, every detail; not have the subject supressed because Porsche might not like it.
Right. Go ahead...someone give me the third degree on good web-site management ... just make sure you categorise your message correctly!
I can see your point of view on these issues, but I think item #3 about the facelift/engine changes has to do with the posting of official Porsche documentation that currently has a media embargo on it.
That could be a big deal as we're sort of associated with the PCA and other official Porsche channels.
Regarding concern #2, it took a while, but I usually just go over to "New Posts" to see the latest threads and don't really jump onto any of the other fourms directly anymore.
Item #1? Well, not sure what to say about that!
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Please don't revoke my membership or move my message to another category deep within the bowels of the site, because I have an observation and a suggestion...
The site's without doubt one of the best (probably the best) in terms of function and layout but It's my view that it's become a little over controlled. Certainly back in the day when the site started you could pretty much post what you wanted, where you wanted and you got heard. But my view this has changed and I'd like to see if we can relax on some of the following:
1. Users are slapped down for asking a question that has aleady been raised. 'another topic merged!' comes the response. When infact I'm personally quiet happy to see the same question asked at a different point in time - things change and new users join. And let's face it the Cayman has been around for 2 years + so its likely that most questions have been asked. If we stuck to searching the forums would be a lot quieter
2. Threads are moved with a little too much enthusiasm. I understand that a growing user population means that you have to implement some controls of content, but the more categories you introduce and police, the more difficult it is to view what people are saying.
3. There seems to be (to me anyway) a very pro-porsche administration. Take for example talk of the facelift. It's one of the most significant things to happen to the Cayman since it was launched (and since I bought mine in November 05). I want to hear all about it, every detail; not have the subject supressed because Porsche might not like it.
Right. Go ahead...someone give me the third degree on good web-site management ... just make sure you categorise your message correctly!
Ugh, just as I'm about to leave to go to the studio to record my radio show this comes up. First I could say "search" because these topics have been discussed in the past as well and I've made statements on them and we have forum rules which are all easily accessible. But, let's cover them again.
1- No one is getting "slapped" down, when someone posts a topic such as "Look at this new Porsche steering wheel for the PS3" and then a few days later someone posts "Check out this Playstation steering wheel by Porsche", we take and combine those topics so that all off the conversation about that specific item is kept in one place TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR READERS TO FIND. Otherwise we get complaints like "How come there are 5 different topics about that new Playstation 3 wheel, I don't want to waste my time reading all 5, this place is a mess!"
I've said it before and I will say it again, if you have an issue with a topic that has been moved or combined then IMMEDIATELY point it out to myself or one of the moderators so we can look into it. Perhaps we made a mistake in something and we can always try to fix any mistakes. If someone later says "I think too many topics were merged recently" that isn't nearly as helpful. How many is "too many", which topics were they? Perhaps we had a rash of duplicate topics lately requiring more merges than normal.
2. Thread moving has been discussed several times in the past. In general threads are moved after 24hours of being up where they don't belong and a redirected topic to the new location is left behind so that readers can find their way to where the moved topic resides. Again, if there is an issue with a certain topic being moved, please point it out at that time so we can look into the specifics. New categories are only added at member request, and the two newest have been regional such as Cayman Europe and Cayman Asia, we don't add categories willy-nilly and in fact have removed or merged categores in the past where it has made sense as well.
3. Talk of the facelift was NEVER curtailed or removed. The only thing that was removed was a LINK to copyrighted and embargoed material from Porsche that Porsche requested we remove the link to as is their legal right. DISCUSSION of that information was NEVER curtailed or squashed or changed in ANY way, members are free to talk about it all they want. Some members seem to have a hard time understanding this. If it still isn't clear to you or to anyone please PM or Email me and we can discuss at length. BTW the information that was leaked out said NOTHING about the Cayman, it was all about the upcoming 997 changes. I'm sorry but you are really way off base on this one...
Ok I gotta go, now I'm running late!
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I've been here quite a while, and I think the number of posts being stopped and told to search has decreased DRASTICALLY. And before only certain moderators would post a link to an old thread, now I see more users doing it because it's so easy to find them with the similar threads box below. The point of showing the OP the old thread is so they can instantly have more responses, threads are never closed unless there is there inappropriate material or unsolicited advertising; they may be merged but that's so that there all discussion of one topic is consolidated and easier to access for the general public. The same idea is behind moving threads; it's just organization. Like Pistol Pete, I also use the new posts feature along with many other users... there are people who think a thread has more exposure in a different forum but I disagree. And even if it is true, moves are done with a temporary redirect left in the original place. What really bugs me is when a user posts THE SAME topic in two places and I always report it; for users like me who use the new post feature it shows up twice and is just unnecessary. Organizing topics doesn't make it more difficult to see what posters are saying, but instead makes it easier for users to select what they want to see, and makes it easier to find posts in the future, and assures that the thread will be considered by the experts who typically stick to each of the categories.
As far as the Pro-Porsche administration, there has been a lot of healthy discussion here about future changes to the model line but you have to remember that this site is the official PCA Cayman Register, and that means the site has to follow some rules. Also, the site is an entity that has to follow copyright laws to be able to survive and avoid legal penalties. The embargoed information (which was not even about the Cayman) was removed from the other Porsche forums as well for legal reasons, it's not just unique to this club. As far as I know, there has never been any suppression of discussion about the upcoming model change and I see new information and pictures from "spy" sites posted every other day.
I agree that sometimes there seems to be a little too much policing, but most of it arises out of members reporting posts because they are either offensive, double posts, or just blatantly in the wrong area. Though one thing I've noticed is that posters have been able to start the same thread in their zone category as well as another category and not have the two merged as long as they explain they did so for more exposure.
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You make some points here. Let me answer your issues one by one:
1. We ask that you do a search so that you don't clutter up the forum with 15 threads about how to break in the motor or should I get a clear bra. This and many questions have been discussed here to death. By searching and reading the previous threads your answer could be very well answered. If you have a point to make on the subject or would like to expand on the subject you can add a post to the discussion. Why do you need to start a whole new thread? It just clutters stuff up.
2. We move posts to keep the site organized. Do we always make the right call, no. I made an error yesterday in fact and another Moderator moved the topic to a more appropriate forum. We do this to help out the membership. Sure we would all like to put our posts in Cayman Chat where there is the most traffic, but there needs to be some sort of structure here. Wouldn't you agree? The OP are free to question the Moderators if they don't agree and often they do. After all we are subject to errors just as everyone else. But the intention is to organize information to make things relevant to everyone.
3. I would say you are correct that the Moderators are pro-Porsche, after all, every single one of us are PCA members and have been so for a number of years. What's wrong with being pro-Porsche? With regard to the facelift, there is a lot of speculation out there and most of it is rumors. When something from Porsche surfaces and it is public information you bet you will find it on this site. I'm assuming you are referring to the embargoed information that was removed. Well this site has ties to PCNA. After all, this is the Cayman Registry site. If we post privileged information on this site and PCNA wants to pursue legal action against the site it has every right to do so, after all it is their copyrighted information. Why risk the end of this site just so you can find out some new upgrades a few months early before they are released publicly?
As for the other facelift information we haven't stifled anything. We might add our 2 cents in, but we allow the information to flow freely.
I hope this clears up some of your issues, if not, lets keep the dialog going. This is the best place to read and discuss all things Cayman and by all means let us know what we can do to make your experience here better.
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2007 Cayman S
2006 Cayenne S Titanium Edition
1982 944 (Amoung first shipment to come to US; number 6 off the boat)
Upon joining the club in February 2007, I raised an issue and was immediately thrown into the dungeon for doing so with several replies and a few PM's about how I should do my homework, read the manual, read the site, search (and the search feature was not as good then), browse at my own time and only THEN should I step onto the diving platform.
I think this is an argument about control versus convenience. Some people want to control the site and make it compact and therefore theoretically more useful, easier to browse, search, relocate etc. I agree with that tactic to a point. Some people treat a forum as a digital society of fellowship and want to conveniently ask any question, no matter how many times its been raised, etc. I also agree with this approach, to a point.
I suspect the answer lies between. Any savvy internet user knows to do a preliminary search before posting a question (I admit...I was NOT a savvy forum user before CC.net...I have improved). However, some do NOT, and others are lazy, and others think their question, knowing it is a common one, is still unique by circumstances and want to post.
I want to treat each of you like a friend. If you frequented a bar to meet with friends, and each time you did so, the population of friends grew.....it woudl be impossible to NOT revisit certain conversation. Imagine the old timers in the crowd groaning every time someone started a conversation that had been discussed often......a real party pooper. I know, I know. BUT.....sometimes it is about the conversation, fellowship and not the format or the rules. YET, I fully understand the amount of work that goes on for a moderator and the desire to be ultra organized and compact so this site is rich and, efficient and therefore more effective to all members.
I just wish there was not (want seems like) a lashing out at people for asking redundant questions. It DOES happen. I visit this site every day...multiple times a day. I read the redundant threads too. Once I read enough of the content to know I am uninterested, been there done that...etc....I close it.
However, I have on occasion stopped to answer the persons question VERY concisely, as best as I know how, then linked them to other threads or refer them to the nifty search function at the bottom of each thread showing similar threads (which interestingly enough does not appear until the thread is posted...but yes I know...doing a search will reveal those threads BEFORE posting redundant topics). I find that the best attitude to foster a society, friends and fellowship is to help the person in short order and then direct them to a topic as well as to remind them to do a search. Yes it takes more work, but I feel it more worth it in the end. This may not jive with the upper management, so it is merely my opinion.
Also.....I OFTEN think of questions I want to ask you guys during the day....that have NOTHING to do with the Cayman, cars or Porsche. Heck, I TRUST you all and sometimes I just want to know things and you have proven your intelligence and therefore I know (minus the rules) that you would assist me. Thats what it is all about to me. Lets keep it that way.
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