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Old 04-06-2008, 10:47 PM
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Fiasco at the NE Region PCA AX school

So I flew to Chicago on Thursday to pick up my CS just to drive back for 15 hours on Saturday to make it to the AX school today in the morning. Since I got in at 1 AM, I barely had 4 hours of sleep and got early to the event....
ONLY TO BE TURNED AWAY!!!!
They FAILED to mention that pre-registration is required. I also tried to contact Jon Cowen several times over the last two months to check if I could bring my buddy to participate (his S2k or in my CS), but never heard back.

So instead of "sorry you had to go through all of this and we have made a mistake" they just told us that we can't participate.

I am in a way schocked. In Chicago PCA everyone was welcome, we never turned away anyone, if they were accompanies by a PCA member. As long as you drove a Porsche, BMW, Mini, or any 2-seater, you were welcome. When we wanted to go to BMWCCA or other events, we had same courtesy extended to us.

I wonder if North East REgion is still as elitist as I was told they were 10 years ago. I am concerned, since in my 1+ year experience with PCA, I felt it was great organization that was interested in furthering a brand and also improving the perception of Porsche owners. I was very saddened today by the attitude I received.

Here is the copy paste from registration page.Last time I checked, I am not seeing anything telling me pre-registration is reuired. Porsche Club of America Northeast Region - Registration Information




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Event registration and technical inspection opens at 8:00 AM and closes at 9:00 AM. The driver meeting begins at 9:01 AM. We expect to see the first car off at 9:30 AM.

The price is a bargain at $30 for PCA members and $35 for non-members. Non-members can participate, but only if they drive their Porsche. If you preregister for all five events prior to the season starting for $120, buy four get one free! If you have any questions, you can contact Ron Mann. For registration information contact Jon Cowen.

We recommend that you show up before 8:00 AM to give yourself time to unload your car, register for the event and walk the track. Please do not show up late.

The Autocross School will be taking place at Moore Airfield, Ayer MA on April 6. Price for the event is $30. Please be on site no later than 8:00 AM. Chalk talk will begin at 8:20 AM with exercises commencing at 9:00AM. Exercises will include a wet skid pad, braking and slaloming. There will be a break for lunch at approximately noon time and we will resume with an abbreviated AX course which will be run for the remainder of the afternoon.
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:59 PM
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I'm not going to defend how they ran their event, but you should recognize that all PCA regions are different, and I would not take this to mean that these folks are elitist because they forgot to mention the advanced registration...

If you go to their home page, you'll see this posted:

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2008 NER-PCA Autocross School
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The annual Autocross School will be taking place at Moore Airfield, Ayer MA on April 6. This school is specifically designed to provide a foundation for both those planning on participating in the region's driving events as well as those who would simply like to become more confident and skilled behind the wheel of their Porsche. Regardless of your ultimate goals, be it keeping your car out of a snow bank or winning a PCA club racing championship, the school is an excellent introduction to the fundamentals of vehicle dynamics. Price for the event is $30. For registration information please contact the auocross registrar Jon Cowen.

If your accepted to attend, please plan to be on site no later than 8:00 AM. Chalk talk will begin at 8:20 AM with exercises commencing at 9:00AM. Exercises will include a skid pad, braking and slaloming. There will be a break for lunch at approximately noon time and we will resume with an abbreviated AX course which will be run for the remainder of the afternoon. The school is designed for first timers and relative novices to acquire the basic set of skills necessary for high performance driving. With both classroom and hands on training sessions, it represents a fabulous value. The school is open to all PCA members ages 18 and over who possess a valid drivers license. Children age 16 -18 must have the appropriate driving credentials in addition to having a wavier signed by BOTH parents. Additionally they must be accompanied on the day by a parent.
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They have the name John Cowen in red, and it's a link to a contact form... you probably should have contacted him. I've instructed a a whole bunch of these over the years, and all of them were advanced registration so they could pair students with instructors, and know how many of each were going to be there...

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The only way Jon Cowen could be contacted was via web-form on the site. I contacted him several times and he told me at the gate (since he was the one who turned me away) that he never got it. So they put in a web-form to be used, but never bothered to test if it works.
Sad thing was, I did not see a single Cayman while I was sitting at the Dunkin Donuts next to the entrance watching all the Pcars getting in.
I struck up a conversation with someone who introduced himself as a VP of NER PCA and mentioned that to him. He did not even bother to apologize. He just said "there will be other events".
Well ex-f-in-cuse me! Since people under your leadership f-ed up, he should have given up his spot!Some others were turned away too. It was their mistake, they should have realized it and dealt with it, rather than not even admit the mistake and make people drive back home.

The fact that the only reason I made the trip to Chicago to drive my a$$ 15 hours back was to get to the g-damn event.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:23 AM
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I'd be pretty pi$$ed off too. I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out what harm would have come if they would have let you in. The organizers being a little inconvenienced?
Not a good first impression.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:42 AM
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I am still fuming. This was the worst first impression. In Chicago, they would have bent over backwards to make sure everyone is welcome. The first event I went to in Chicago, when I joined, I had several old-timer members welcome me, sharing with me tips on how to get more involved, and etc. etc. etc.

NER PCA here (according from what I was told by one former member and also some random threads on forums) seems to be elitist prick collection not open to anyone but Porsche people. And we expect other organizations to keep their doors open for us?
Well guess what, my buddy who got turned away today with me too (he brought his immaculate S2000) is going to be in the market for another toy this fall. Guess what impression Porsche people made on him. Oh wait, we are here already known as self-absorbed a$$holes. You not only buy a car, you are becoming member of community. Never heard of Lotus folks with that kind of attitude.
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Lame...lame lame! They should have let you in....
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It is a difficult job to run a driving event. It is even more difficult when the event is well attended.

I am a member of my region's track safety tech. inspection team. The perameters for Tech inspections are clearly defined as to details about the car and who may inspect the car. Our DE events are open to other marques.
We require that the tech inspection be done by a dealer of that marque, a PCA regional tech inspector (or facility), or an ASE certified facility with the receipt of that facility that perfomed the inspection. Time and time again we are presented with cars and drivers that are experienced that do not comply with what was requested. So what happens? We give the person a hard time, and eventually will perform the tech inspection at a time that works for us. The driver usually gets ticked off at us, but later realizes that it was his mistake. He should have taken the time to read our forms, and handbook.

There is a lot of planning and work that goes into the event. It is a shame that they could not have come so some compromise to help to accomidate you. Maybe, you wouldn't have been able to participate in all of the days activities, but that is how the cookie crumbles. Next time, make sure all your t's are crossed and i's are dotted. It is only one event. It looks like a big deal now, but 10 years from now, it will be insignifigant. Be aware there are some regions in the eastern part of the U.S. that are a bit more rigid than others (I am not say NER is, I never have attended any of thier events)

Give NER another chance. You may change your mind about them.
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On a positive note, one of the organizers at the NCR PCA (they do AX at the same location) just replied to my inquiry and looks like those guys are more than happy to allow guests to participate.
I found that SCCA does events also at the same location, so I will try to do those too.
NER might want to re-thing their policies. This is autocross, not DE. There is always room in the freakin AX event. Chicago region boys managed to make everyone welcome, no matter how packed the events were.
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I think your missing the point here that it wasn't an autocross event, it was an autocross school. I have attend one CVR-PCA school and one Cart-Ct school and in both cases you had to be preregistered because there was one instructor assigned to each student, one on one. They wouldn't allow anyone not preregistered because there wouldn't be an instructor for that student. From my experience DE's are run exactly the same way.

Autocross events are different because they are timed events and you are competing. Show up, sign up, race.

As far as miscommunications between you and NER-PCA, That is a different is