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Old 03-23-2008, 02:03 AM
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Thunderhill March 21st, 2008

Perfect day. Clear and crisp in the morning warming into the 60s during the day. Beautiful.

Registrants signed up for one of two groups, Novice/Intermediate or Intermediate/Advanced, but the track time was divided into THREE 20 minute block per hour. Novice. Intermediate. Advanced. The idea was to allow for movement between groups based upon your comfort level throughout the day and you got to drive 40 minutes per hour if you wanted to. Dual flaggers for the checkered flag to more quickly clear the track between groups. It was basically an "all you can drive" day. Awesome.

Coaching was informal. There was no classroom instruction or formal instructing beyond the safety meeting in the morning. Tech inspection was self-service.

The atmosphere on the track was fantastic. Locust drivers are a solid group of folks who seem to attract other like-minded drivers. The three sessions had varying passing rules with advanced allowing passing without restrictions. I have run events like this where that was scary. Not this time. People were courteous and I actually got the chance to pass some folks mid-turn in a very safe manner. Cool! There were at least 7 minor off-track excursions, but no serious damage. I went off in a nice neat straight line at one point and didn't even get my car dirty. I matched my personal best at 2:17...but with ,much less effort than in my 2.7. My Pagid Yellows were great. Thanks Rennstore.

The Sharkwerks test mule Cayman was out on the track and I had a chance to see it clearly pull away from me on a straight. gmsracing was there with his buddy. We had a great time. Nice guys. My brother and his friend drove their Turbos and my friend tore up the track in his 215 HP bone stock Crossfire. I rode shotgun with him while he humbled a Carrera S among others. The man can drive. I was laughing. A Crossfire? Yes. Nice little car. And since he paid $20k for it NEW and was faster than most of the locusts...think before you speak ill of the little "Chrysler".

In summary, if you are comfortable driving at Thunderhill and don't mind buying your own lunch and don't expect official coaches...you will love the locust club. I was surprised to learn that early model locusts don't look like evil grasshoppers. Here is a picture of me with my brother on my tail. He ran a 2:10.


Brother's in-car video...mine is coming. He passes the Sharkwerks Cayman. I don't.
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Sounds like Sharkwerks needs to tune up their Cayman if they are letting big phat turbos get past them, then again isn't Thunderhill a track that rewards horsepower over handling?
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I had a good time too. It was a good venue and much less chaotic than the NASA events I have attended in the past. Plenty of track time and a good bunch of folks to drive with.

Here's me after passing a Corvette and an Elise. Those Elises are fast! I was following one, and they can just turn in when ever they want to on a dime.

I was impressed with the car, but I could definately see the areas that I need to improve--PSS9's, better pads, and better brake fluid. The stock sport seats are great and I didn't slide around at all. Didn't experience much inside rear wheels spin, so I'll probably spend my money on PSS9's first instead of the Quaife.
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Hey! That's me getting passed out of T8 in the video. That was a fast group of cars coming through and I lifted a couple of times to let everyone through. But, you can see how the 997 twin just blows by me up the hill into 9. 140+ on the front straight! I was only getting up to ~115.

That gray EVO was fast too.
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I had a good time too. It was a good venue and much less chaotic than the NASA events I have attended in the past. Plenty of track time and a good bunch of folks to drive with.

Here's me after passing a Corvette and an Elise. Those Elises are fast! I was following one, and they can just turn in when ever they want to on a dime.

I was impressed with the car, but I could definately see the areas that I need to improve--PSS9's, better pads, and better brake fluid. The stock sport seats are great and I didn't slide around at all. Didn't experience much inside rear wheels spin, so I'll probably spend my money on PSS9's first instead of the Quaife.
Don't let Thunderhill fool you on the need for LSD / Quaife unit. Thunderhill has what 1 tight turn (turn 11 according to their own track guide), I would be surprised if you spun your tires much on this track at all since it really is not a highly technical track and is mostly devoid of any sharp changes in direction causing you to have to slow down and set up and power out of a tight corner. The stock brake fluid is also pretty darn good stuff, although you may have some air in your lines. If you are going to always drive Thunderhill then yeah maybe LSD is not for you, but on a technical track you will be lost and frustrated without it.
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I agree. Thill is a fast track with not too many corners that would necessarily require it. Unfortunately there aren't too many tracks located nearby so It's either Thill or PIR. I like Thunderhill and It's about 6+ hours to Sears Point. I lived in the Bay Area before and it was nice being close to Laguana, Sears, and Thill.
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Great Video! Will see you there on Wednesday! Will have our Cayman S and our Cayenne Turbo..
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Sounds like Sharkwerks needs to tune up their Cayman if they are letting big phat turbos get past them, then again isn't Thunderhill a track that rewards horsepower over handling?
That's me in the blue Turbo. In fairness to SharkWerks and the (very fast) White Cayman and its driver, I never really ran head to head with him, so he may well have been turning faster laps.

Thill has one very fast straight (140+ in big HP cars) and two 120+ shorter straights that favor horsepower. All of these fast sections are on the back-half of the track. The rest of the track is mostly about momentum and handling. I'm faster in a 2.7 Cayman on the first half of the track, but then more than make up on the back half.

I ran a 2:14 in a 2.7 Cayman on street tires, and my best in Turbo is 2:10 (on Cup tires). I suspect I would be about even with myself in a CS with sticky tires.

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Sounds like Sharkwerks needs to tune up their Cayman if they are letting big phat turbos get past them, then again isn't Thunderhill a track that rewards horsepower over handling?
I have only driven Infineon, Laguna, Reno-Fernley, and Thunderhill...but I would say "not really".

My brother's best times are 2:14 in a 2.7 Cayman and 2:10 in his Turbo.

245 HP versus 690 HP.

Moving from my 2.7 to the 3.4 dropped 8 seconds at Laguna, but only 2 at Thunderhill so far. (2:17) That is just one novice's observation, however.

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Very cool! Looking forward to seeing yourself and your better half again.

We are both using the bullet cam in these videos. Mine is mounted on the grab bar between the seats and his is windshield mounted. Quality is OK. definitely not what you get with a good DV camera let alone HD. But great for automatically capturing every lap along with the traqmate data. I am eventually going to play with the bullet cam outside the car somewhere with regular DV camera on the grab bar.
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